Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread
Print Thread
Go To
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,372
Expert
OP Offline
Expert
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,372
I received my BiaB 2019 Hard Drive yesterday, Tues 12-11-19...
I had already downloaded, & installed the files and updated to builds 603, 604 & 605. I've been playing with it for several days now, and besides a few issues, I'm very happy with the new 64 bit version... Thanks PG Music…
Generally the program performs great on my Studio Desktop, and my slower, less-capable Laptop...
I have gained a lot of valuable knowledge, and much help from following this wonderful forum... but it pains me, somewhat, to read so much negativity, even though I do understand some of the frustration expressed...
I'm confident the good folks at PGMusic, with the help of this great Forum, will in time, iron out all the kinks...


Bandcamp
Soundcloud
Win-11; BiaB-2025 Audiophile
Cakewalk; Melodyne-5; Scaler 2; NI Komplete:
Focusrite Scarlett 18i20



Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2014
Posts: 69
G
Enthusiast
Offline
Enthusiast
G
Joined: Dec 2014
Posts: 69
Good news for you. Are you using ASIO?

Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,372
Expert
OP Offline
Expert
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,372
I am using Focusrite USB ASIO along with my Focusrite Scarlet 18i20 interface... works ok, but I still get pops & crackle noise when using Cakewalk Sonar with BiaB open in background, or vice-versa...
If I close either program, the noise goes away... I also had this problem earlier, back when I was using an M-Audio pci interface, and previous versions of BiaB...


Bandcamp
Soundcloud
Win-11; BiaB-2025 Audiophile
Cakewalk; Melodyne-5; Scaler 2; NI Komplete:
Focusrite Scarlett 18i20



Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 26,886
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 26,886
Bloc-head, I just got my drive today, too. Yay!

And I have the same equipment as you. Is your Scarlett 18i20 a first or second generation? Mine is a second and I hope these instructions will work if you have a first.

I don't get the pops and crackles, so let's explore:

1) In Focusrite Control, Device Settings tab, is your Sample Rate set to 44.1?

2) In BIAB, Options, Preferences, Audio go to Audio Drivers. What is your selection for Resampler quality?
Then, right above that, click on ASIO Driver Control Panel. What is the buffer size? (You'll also see sample rate there and it should be 44.1).

Finally, since you've discovered running two programs with ASIO gives crackling, try using MME for BIAB. Any improvement?



BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 19,691
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 19,691
Pipeline mentioned something in another thread that would also be worth trying in relation to extraneous noises. Try deactivating "ASIO Always On".

If other programs are open that require the audio driver, this setting in BIAB can override other settings.

Given that ASIO is pretty much unique for each device, and this adds an element of unpredictability to these drivers, I personally don't know if this setting will impact sound quality when multiple music software programs run for the Focusrite. I'm passing this thought on as just "something to keep in mind".

Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in)
ASIO always on.JPG (63.87 KB, 146 downloads)

MY SONGS...
Audiophile BIAB 2024
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,372
Expert
OP Offline
Expert
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,372
Thanks Matt & Noel... I'll check my settings when I get home and let you know...


Bandcamp
Soundcloud
Win-11; BiaB-2025 Audiophile
Cakewalk; Melodyne-5; Scaler 2; NI Komplete:
Focusrite Scarlett 18i20



Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,372
Expert
OP Offline
Expert
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,372
Originally Posted By: Matt Finley
Bloc-head, I just got my drive today, too. Yay!

And I have the same equipment as you. Is your Scarlett 18i20 a first or second generation? Mine is a second and I hope these instructions will work if you have a first.

I don't get the pops and crackles, so let's explore:

1) In Focusrite Control, Device Settings tab, is your Sample Rate set to 44.1?

2) In BIAB, Options, Preferences, Audio go to Audio Drivers. What is your selection for Resampler quality?
Then, right above that, click on ASIO Driver Control Panel. What is the buffer size? (You'll also see sample rate there and it should be 44.1).

Finally, since you've discovered running two programs with ASIO gives crackling, try using MME for BIAB. Any improvement?


yes, Scarlett 18i20 (gen 2)
1) yes, 44.1
2) Resampler Quality = Good; Buffer size=1024; Samp rate=44.1

Success! after changing Biab's drivers to MME Noise Stopped...


Bandcamp
Soundcloud
Win-11; BiaB-2025 Audiophile
Cakewalk; Melodyne-5; Scaler 2; NI Komplete:
Focusrite Scarlett 18i20



Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Oct 2017
Posts: 745
Journeyman
Offline
Journeyman
Joined: Oct 2017
Posts: 745
I still have my noise. Tried all types of combinations and no luck.

Desktop HP:
Windows 10
Presonus AudioBox 22 VSL - updated drivers
1.2TB available on HD; 794GB used
8G of RAM
BIAB 32 works fine; 605 update
BIAB 64 is noisy; 605 update


Sampling is set exactly is noted in the above post about the Scarlett.

Oddity is that I also have a Dell Laptop with the same problems minus the Personus. The Dell has never seen the Presonus.

Considering a re-install on both machines.

And, yes, I have contacted the help desk.

...Deb

Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2016
Posts: 1,173
Expert
Offline
Expert
Joined: Dec 2016
Posts: 1,173
Originally Posted By: bloc-head
I am using Focusrite USB ASIO along with my Focusrite Scarlet 18i20 interface... works ok, but I still get pops & crackle noise when using Cakewalk Sonar with BiaB open in background, or vice-versa...
If I close either program, the noise goes away... I also had this problem earlier, back when I was using an M-Audio pci interface, and previous versions of BiaB...


Sonar has a little box (Performance) in the Control Bar that shows the CPU utilisation. If you don’t see it right click in the control bar and select it. If this gets a bit high you will get pops and crackle (static) when using ASIO. The PG VST will lift the CPU rate a bit. In the preferences you can change the ASIO buffers or under Sync and Caching up the playback I/O buffer size. Lift it to 2048 or higher (4096 but it might effect your timing if playing into Sonar with a MIDI keyboard. You can leave the record at 1024.

This might help

Tony


HP i7-4770 16GB 1TB SSD, Win 10 Home,
Focusrite 2i2 3rd Gen, Launchkey 61, Maton CW80, Telecaster, Ovation Elite TX, Yamaha Pacifica 612
BB 2022(912) RB 2022(2), CakeWalk, Reaper 6, Audacity, Melodyne 5 Editor, Izotope Music Production Suite 4.1
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 26,886
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 26,886
Good suggestions above by Tony to check the CPU meter. You may be able to see the same effect in Task Manager.

And he’s right, larger playback buffers may help. The values that are right for you are relative to your computer as well as the sound card. For example, I use 256 for recording, but bump up to 512 for general playback. Too high can actually cause problems, too, so experiment.


BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,372
Expert
OP Offline
Expert
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,372
Great Info & Advice... Thanks again to all...

btw, I did try Noel's above suggestion with inconclusive results... I will try again & experiment more...


Bandcamp
Soundcloud
Win-11; BiaB-2025 Audiophile
Cakewalk; Melodyne-5; Scaler 2; NI Komplete:
Focusrite Scarlett 18i20



Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,796
Expert
Offline
Expert
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,796
Mine arrived too, and on the back there's a sticker saying it's produced in the Netherlands. About 30 km from here ... Why do i have to pay import taxes then beats me ...!

Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,796
Expert
Offline
Expert
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,796
Originally Posted By: bloc-head
I received my BiaB 2019 Hard Drive yesterday, Tues 12-11-19...
I had already downloaded, & installed the files and updated to builds 603, 604 & 605. I've been playing with it for several days now, and besides a few issues, I'm very happy with the new 64 bit version... Thanks PG Music … I'm confident the good folks at PGMusic, with the help of this great Forum, will in time, iron out all the kinks ...

Just moved back to 2018 for now ... the audio handling doesn't work, it seems you can import only one chunk in both 32bit and 64bit BIAB 605. BIAB 2018: no problems, even 24bit files survive, not with 2019 64bit ...

Originally Posted By: bloc-head
.... I did try Noel's above suggestion with inconclusive results... I will try again & experiment more...

i gave up on that too ... F

Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,372
Expert
OP Offline
Expert
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,372
Originally Posted By: fiddler2007
Mine arrived too, and on the back there's a sticker saying it's produced in the Netherlands. About 30 km from here ... Why do i have to pay import taxes then beats me ...!


My Hard Drive does not have that sticker, but the box does have a sticker that reads "Made In Canada"


Bandcamp
Soundcloud
Win-11; BiaB-2025 Audiophile
Cakewalk; Melodyne-5; Scaler 2; NI Komplete:
Focusrite Scarlett 18i20



Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,796
Expert
Offline
Expert
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,796
Originally Posted By: DSM
I still have my noise. Tried all types of combinations and no luck.

With windows 10 and USB audio a lot has to be set up right. VCbasics, DotNet, power handling, CPU tuning, AND Graphics drivers tuning (turn hardware acceleration off if possible) are important too. You have all kinds of (digital) noises, spikes, stutters, pinknoise; not clear what's up on your system. If you have an external USB interface and other programs work OK, than it has to to with BIAB. try ASIO, MME or WAS, and buffersize tuning. with ASIO and my RME UFX i can get as low as 128 samples no sweat ....

Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,372
Expert
OP Offline
Expert
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,372
Good advice F...

New Question...
I need to free up space on my Laptop's HD,
I've decided to remove BB from the Laptop & run BIAB/RealBand2019 from the new USB Harddrive…
Should I just Delete the C:\BB folder..?


Bandcamp
Soundcloud
Win-11; BiaB-2025 Audiophile
Cakewalk; Melodyne-5; Scaler 2; NI Komplete:
Focusrite Scarlett 18i20



Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 26,886
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 26,886
Originally Posted By: bloc-head
Should I just Delete the C:\BB folder..?

I believe the answer is Yes, but I strongly encourage you first to chat or call Support to verify.


BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,372
Expert
OP Offline
Expert
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,372
great idea, thanks Matt

Previous Thread
Next Thread
Go To

Link Copied to Clipboard
ChatPG

Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.

ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.

PG Music News
Holiday Weekend Hours

Our Customer Service hours this weekend are as follows:

Friday, April 18: 8:00 - 4:00
Saturday, April 19: closed
Sunday, April 20: closed
Monday, April 21: Regular hours

Thank you!

Band-in-a-Box 2025 French Version is Here!

Bonjour à tous,

Band-in-a-Box® 2025 pour Windows est disponible en Français.
Le téléchargement se fait à partir du site PG Music

Pour ceux qui auraient déjà acheté la version 2025 de Band-in-a-Box (et qui donc ont une version anglaise), il est possible de "franciser" cette version avec les patchs suivants:

BIAB 2025 - francisation
RealBand 2025 - francisation

Voilà, enjoy!

Band-in-a-Box 2025 German Version is Here!

Band-in-a-Box 2025 für Windows Deutsch ist verfügbar!

Die deutsche Version Band-in-a-Box® 2025 für Windows ist ab sofort verfügbar!

Alle die bereits die englische Version von Band-in-a-Box und RealBand 2024 installiert haben, finden hier die Installationsdateien für das Sprachenupdate:

https://nn.pgmusic.com/pgfiles/languagesupport/deutsch2025.exe
https://nn.pgmusic.com/pgfiles/languagesupport/deutsch2025RB.exe

Update Your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 to Build 1128 for Windows Today!

Already using Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Windows®? Download Build 1128 now from our Support Page to enjoy the latest enhancements and improvements from our team.

Stay up to date—get the latest update now!

Update to RealBand® 2025 Build 5 Windows Today!

Already using RealBand® 2025 for Windows®? Download Build 5 now from our Support Page to ensure you have the latest enhancements and improvements from our team.

Get the latest update today!

PowerTracks Pro Audio 2025 for Windows is Here!

PowerTracks Pro Audio 2025 is here! This new version introduces many features, including VST3 support, the ability to load or import a .FLAC file, a reset option for track height in the Tracks window, a taller Timeline on the Notation window toolbar, new freeze buttons in the Tracks window, three toolbar modes (two rows, single row, and none), the improved Select Patch dialog with text-based search and numeric patch display, a new button in the DirectX/VST window to copy an effects group, and more!

First-time packages start at only $49. Already a PowerTracks Pro Audio user? Upgrade for as little as $29!

www.pgmusic.com/powertracks.htm

Video: Summary of the New Band-in-a-Box® App for iOS®

Join Tobin as he takes you on a tour of the new Band-in-a-Box® app for iOS®! Designed for musicians, singer-songwriters, and educators, this powerful tool lets you create, play, and transfer songs effortlessly on your iPhone® or iPad®—anytime, anywhere.

Band-in-a-Box® for iOS® :Summary video.

Check out the forum post for more information.

Forum Statistics
Forums58
Topics83,906
Posts772,068
Members39,492
Most Online25,754
Jan 24th, 2025
Newest Members
Peter Daloka, normaneric414, pabzum, fmid, MaxSorg
39,491 Registered Users
Top Posters(30 Days)
MarioD 164
DC Ron 105
rsdean 97
WaoBand 81
Today's Birthdays
basshansi, marcellocruz
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5