I've been saying this for years. You already made your song in BIAB right? Use the command to save all tracks to individual .wav files. Open the folder and drag each file to your DAW. No need to use the BIAB VSTi. I can do this much faster.
I agree it is much faster to just use BIAB instead of this new VST. I had hoped the VST would be an improvement over what we already had but it appears to be literally one step forward (VST with multiriffs) and two steps back (very slow and missing lots of BIAB features)! And given that PG himself says everyone is happy with it including him, I guess they don't have any real plans to finish it.
Oh well, another year of "exciting new features" I won't use. Back to 32-bit BIAB and exporting WAVs.
A couple things that may be not helping. 1. BIAB is not an effect aka VST 2. BIAB is not a synth aka VSTi 3. BIAB was at one time 16bit and I believe a little cheating, for lack of the right word,was used to make it 32bit. A helper file. Now trying to tweak it up from that to 64 bit might be a bit dicey.
To elaborate: 1 &2 above we're compliments. PG is outside the box here. The hole program is outside the box. There are 100s of DAW but only 1 BIAB/RB.Be patient. These are great folk.
At the moment it serves no purpose loading the BiabVST into a DAW as there is no audio or synced playback that's why I mention SaviHost
I wanted to thank Pipeline for his post on using SAVIHost along with Reaper. This is what has made me decide to keep the 2019 upgrade (the BIABVSTi is the only reason I was interested in the upgrade).
As there is nearly zero communications between a DAW and BIABVSTi (as there would be with a real VSTi), SAVIHost provides the Drag and Drop mechanism, without the need to monkey around with Buffer Size and Audio Driver protocol within Reaper (64spls @48K for me). I can also click on a YouTube video or listen to a streaming channel all while the above remains active and not having to adjust anything.
Being able to use my VST guitar chain in real time within Reaper, without the huge, added latency of running the BIABVSTi inside of Reaper, was the missing link for me. If I need to actually record the guitar track into Reaper, I can just Drag/Drop the BIAB tracks from SAVIHost first and push Record.
A MASTER OUT LEVEL control, LOOP function and ability to SAVE AS the Current Song with the Generated Tracks needs to be addressed by the developer.
A couple things that may be not helping. 1. BIAB is not an effect aka VST 2. BIAB is not a synth aka VSTi 3. BIAB was at one time 16bit and I believe a little cheating, for lack of the right word,was used to make it 32bit. A helper file. Now trying to tweak it up from that to 64 bit might be a bit dicey.
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To elaborate: 1 &2 above we're compliments. PG is outside the box here. The hole program is outside the box. There are 100s of DAW but only 1 BIAB/RB.Be patient. These are great folk.
Wondering if you can explain how 1 and 2 are compliments? If I buy an advertised electric guitar that ends up being shipped without pickups, I wouldn't call this "thinking outside the box". A VST and a VSTi are what they are.
I was finally able to get the VSTi to run in Reaper after the 606 update...
Run Reaper Change from my RME ASIO driver to DirectSound driver (written for Windows 95 through Windows XP) Load BIAB VSTi Change audio driver back to ASIO Change Buffer Size to 1024 Set Windows driver output to send to my RME interface (for playback of the DEMO and Generated Tracks within the plugin) Choose a Style Generate a Style, which takes about 30 sec.
SIMPLE, RIGHT?
That is about the last thing I would want to include in my recording workflow. Reaper has been flawless for me. Drop and Drag from BIAB has been acceptable. Having to mess with driver configurations is a receipt for disaster. Still hoping for a better resolution to this whole thing.
If you haven't already, give Pipeline's SAVIHost suggestion (link in the above post) a try - it does allow for no buffer/device changing and allows you to keep your existing DAW latency intact.
First I said the plug was impressive and worked well in Sonar 8.5 Second I said I could do it faster the old way. That's just me. Third My understanding of the VST/VSTi Spec is that BIAB is not truly either of these. Thus outside the box. I've been with PGMusic for many, many years. My hole musical career is centered around these products.There is no other like it.
I have had problems with the VSTi. It will open and work in Studio One Pro 4 for one time. If I close the VSTi project, start another project and try to use it again my system freezes. Sometimes it takes out alt-control-delete and maybe my Roland Octa-Capture. It I delete the VSTi in the original project, start a new one and insert the VSTi it crashes just like before. Thus it is useless for me and I deleted it. After a crash and I restart the computer adding it will crash the system again. That is not a problem because I will use BiaB as I always have. It is much easier and faster that way.
Another thing is when I drag n dropped the VSTi master it moved all the tracks OK but they were in Wav form and I work in MIDI. I had to move each MIDI track separately.
I do hope they get this working correctly on all systems as I can see some benefits for using it in both RTs and MIDI.
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64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
First I said the plug was impressive and worked well in Sonar 8.5 Second I said I could do it faster the old way. That's just me. Third My understanding of the VST/VSTi Spec is that BIAB is not truly either of these. Thus outside the box. I've been with PGMusic for many, many years. My hole musical career is centered around these products.There is no other like it.
I agree that BIAB is a great product and different from any other product. I have 2016 and do use it as backing tracks for practicing - but one of the main ADVERTISED selling features of BIAB 2019 is the VSTi.
This is not a VSTi - it is a wrapper with zero communication with the DAW. Communication with the DAW is the defining feature of a VST. I ordered it based on the fact it had a VSTi, which would make integration with my DAW very convenient.
I have decided to keep it because of the SAVIHost integration and I have hope they will move towards producing a low latency VSTi in the near future. If not, the SAVIHost option will work for me for now.
I am disappointed because of this and because I spent way too many hours getting to this point.
Another thing is when I drag n dropped the VSTi master it moved all the tracks OK but they were in Wav form and I work in MIDI. I had to move each MIDI track separately.
To elaborate: 1 &2 above we're compliments. PG is outside the box here. The hole program is outside the box. There are 100s of DAW but only 1 BIAB/RB.Be patient. These are great folk.
The main selling point of this upgrade for me was the ability to interactively use BIAB in Studio One, and it does not even come close to delivering that, sure there are a few RealTracks that I like and a couple of styles I like too, but most of the content is just filler, in its current state there is not enough to justify an upgrade, and what adds insult to injury is some of the better Realtracks and Styles are now being placed into Bonus PAKs to squeeze out an extra $49 for the upgrade. I can easily go back to version, version 2018 2017, 0r 2016 and wouldn't miss anything or than the additional bugs to contend with.
I have never had any crashes before in Studio One Pro 4, but this plugin has locked my system up so tight I had to turn off the computer. It does not do it every time but I have had so many problems with it I quit using it. I was hoping this plugin would be sort of like my Toontrack EZ Keys or EZ Drummer which work flawless on my system and is so easy to create music. I do like the fact they are heading in this direction but for right now it just is not ready for prime time. I am sure they will work it all out and hope they expand on a lot of the suggestions that have already been listed.
BIAB 2026 Ultrapack- Studio One Pro 7 Windows 11, Mac Mini M4 with Logic Pro 11, Melodyne Studio, Luna Pro
First I said the plug was impressive and worked well in Sonar 8.5
Well congrats! Obviously lots of people are not having the same experience as you. I suspect you may not have put it through its paces as thoroughly or you'd see some of the same issues being reported because PGM is working on fixes currently! The problems are real!
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Second I said I could do it faster the old way. That's just me.
No, it is not just you. In its current shape no one, not even PG himself, could create a typical song in the VST and get it into the DAW as fast as they could do simply using BIAB and drag/drop!
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Third My understanding of the VST/VSTi Spec is that BIAB is not truly either of these. Thus outside the box.
The phrase "think outside the box" usually refers to something new and unique and better than conventional solutions. I've never heard it applied to a buggy piece of software!
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I've been with PGMusic for many, many years. My hole musical career is centered around these products.There is no other like it.
I'm not sure why some PGM customers always feel like they must defend PGM any time a paying customer has the unmitigated audacity to report or even complain about bugs in the product? Yes, I love BIAB too! It is amazing! The new VST? Not so much!
I'm not sure why some PGM customers always feel like they must defend PGM any time a paying customer has the unmitigated audacity to report or even complain about bugs in the product?
That's part of the problem, new users come, speak the truth but are jumped on never to return, being blindly loyal don't work, if you love the end result of BB RB as I do and many others you need to be honest and give constructive criticism where problems are, Oliver Twist was the only one game enough to stand up and say "Please Sir can I have some more", PG as Basil below doesn't receive any constructive criticism from the regular loyal customers, so Basil thinks everything is fine:
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Most, including me, are happy with how everything works now.....
The plug-in doesn't work here either and yet again I fell for the promotion of it as being a major new feature.
It ain't it's a half-baked mess made worse by the fact you don't know which (32 or 64 bit) version you are running, sure you can setup a shortcut for the 64 bit version and open it that way, but as soon as you double click a biab song the 32 bit version will dutifully open.
So then you run into problems with the plug-in so you start to wonder is it because the wrong version is running in the background to power the plug-in.
OOBE man it's a headache.
I have a nice Roland Quad Capture interface which seems to be bullet-proof as far as any other app I've used with it goes, yet it doesn't even work in BIAB unless it is in MME mode using the Microsoft Sound Mapper, go figure.
None of which directly relates to the plugin but provides a backdrop of chaos when trying to troubleshoot problems with it.
So far I've tried using both my onboard sound device and the Roland to no avail (with either anything other than the MME option nor the plugin.
The plugin itself does appear (although not always) in Reason 10 and Studio One 4,and I can load and save songs as expected, I can listen to style demo's, however it won't generate anything for toffee. The progress bar starts to move and craps out after a few seconds on both DAW's with both audio solutions I've tried.
I expect the fix to arrive as swiftly as the BIAB archaic Windows "Multi Media Extensions" and fixed sample rate of 44,100 khz format issue has been resolved. A silent audio program is as worthwhile as a chocolate teapot.
I've given up and found a nice place to rant instead. Thanks for letting me offload.
That's part of the problem, new users come, speak the truth but are jumped on never to return, being blindly loyal don't work, if you love the end result of BB RB as I do and many others you need to be honest and give constructive criticism where problems are, Oliver Twist was the only one game enough to stand up and say "Please Sir can I have some more", PG as Basil below doesn't receive any constructive criticism from the regular loyal customers, so Basil thinks everything is fine:
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Most, including me, are happy with how everything works now.....
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