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There are some long threads on another BIAB user list where people are asking these 2 questions below and it seems that no one from BIAB can answer these 2 questions--
1. Has BIAB 2019 program really been totally rewritten as a 64-bit program
or did PGM figure out a kludge to wrap the old 32-bit code (or
is much of it still 16-bit?) is it some sort of a wrapper so that it
interacts with other software as a 64-bit program but internally still
32 bit? Sort of like j-bridge serves as a 64-bit "wrapper" for 32-bit
plug-ins so they can be used with 64-bit DAWs.....or has the BIAB 2019 been completely rewritten in native 64 bit code without shortcut wrappers.....question 2 below is associated
2. With the new 2019 BIAB VST feature-- the rendering takes a lot longer in DAW's in both Ableton and Presonus Pro in multiriff mode and in general with the generating. Why does the rendering take a lot longer in the DAW's and why is it faster in the BIAB standalone. Some are saying because BIAB 2019 is not true native 64 bit. I for one as many do-- appreciate fast render times and being able to quickly stay in the creative zone and not have excessive render times.
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Yes, biab 2019 has been totally rewritten as a 64 bit application.
That is bbw64.exe and you just need to run it and confirm that. It doesn’t need any helper apps to run and would run on a system that only supports 64 bit and not 32 bit.
The VST plugin is a 64 bit plugin. It does use a helper app In the background. (bbw4.exe 32 bit). We will replace that helper app with a 64 bit version compile (free update) early in the New Year. but it won’t change any functionality or speed.
Have Fun!
Peter Gannon
PG Music Inc.
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Band-in-a-Box VST and Pro Tools/AAX DAW Plugin (Windows)
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))) Why does the rendering take a lot longer in the DAW's and why is it faster in the BIAB standalone. Some are saying because BIAB 2019 is not true native 64 bit. I for one as many do-- appreciate fast render times and being able to quickly stay in the creative zone and not have excessive render times.
This would and does have nothing to do with 32 vs 64 bit. The render “speed champion” is actually RealBand.exe which remains a 32 bit app. The reason it’s faster than the plugin is that it processes the wav less (doesn’t add reverb, panning etc.)
We plan to speed up rendering in the plugin and get it as fast as realband for example, which is also faster than the main bbw.exe program. But none of that changes at all in 32 vs 64 bit. Please point people to that thread you were reading to this post or just give me the link for that post.
)) I for one as many do-- appreciate fast render times and being able to quickly stay in the creative zone and not have excessive render times.
Me too! Stay tuned for updates with faster render times (less wav processing). We will preserve an option to render with the full wav processing for those who want that.
Have Fun!
Peter Gannon
PG Music Inc.
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Thanks for the Enlightenment, Awesome !
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I guess we might have differing definitions for "totally rewritten as a 64 bit application"! My definition would be a rewrite that included the GUI and major functionality. Since the new 64-bit BIAB appears identical to the 32-bit BIAB I guess I'd call it a conversion rather than "totally rewritten as a 64 bit application"! Just my 2 cents!
Last edited by JohnJohnJohn; 01/02/19 03:58 AM.
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I'm not a programmer so I could be wrong; but I think there is a difference between rewriting a 32-bit program as a 64-bit program and redesigning a program. I'm guessing that the bit-level code can be upgraded without changing how the program looks or works.
Last edited by Don L Turner; 01/02/19 01:44 PM.
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))) The reason it’s faster than the plugin is that it processes the wav less (doesn’t add reverb, panning etc.)
actually, I would like the plugin just generating the wav, without pan and effects, because in my daw I have the effects I use everyday.
Last edited by Sergino; 01/04/19 08:14 AM.
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Hi Peter--
I know its only been 3 months since you said you are working on replacing the 32 bit helper that works with VST 64 bit plugin and working on faster render times in the VST 64 bit plugin, BUT as I understand-- the VST 64 bit plugin version is much slower in rendering because it does not perform as the standalone version where the standalone version begins playing the render while it is still rendering and the VST 64 bit plugin waits until the render is completed before playing it-- hence much longer render times.
So the million dollar question is-- is there a IT programming solution to increase the VST 64 bit plugin render times where the rendering can still play while it is loading. Your faster rendering solution suggests new code that eliminates wav processing-- doesn’t add reverb, panning etc but what about the rendering file playing while still going thru the final rendering-- is this going to be possible?
I love your top of the line audiophile wav software and I want to see the fastest render times at the highest fidelity rate that equals or exceeds Real Band rendering times or my workflow process can not work well in BIAB VST 64 bit plugin mode which I GREATLY WANT AND APPRECIATE.
I would pay higher prices to have the "King of the Land BIAB VST 64 bit plugin DAW integration wav rendering at the fastest speed.
Rodger, Los Angeles CA Producer, Songwriter
Presonus Studio One 4, Presonus 192, BIAB Audiophile, Melodyne 4 Studio, Omnisphere 2, Native Instruments Komplete Ultimate 11, Reveal, Sample Logic, Output, UHE, UVI, Sample Tank Max, Wave, SonuScore, Eduardo Tarilonte, Digitech, Korg M3, Impact, Fender, Lexicon, Carvin, Tascam, Mackie, Hafler
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The rendering speed is now the same as Biab Audio > Export Song As wav files...
It is a touch faster than RealBand.
Biab renders the tracks to RAM as it's playing, it could be done this way with the Plugin's bbw4 (it could load the tracks direct to RAM and would need to send audio play/sync to the Plugin) but you would still need to render the tracks from RAM to wav then drag in the DAW.
Adar is making great steps in the programming of the Plugin.
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