OK, that is it for the BIAB64, ya it works but it is buggy as hell and I can't get anything done in it. So I am going to try the BIAB32 and see how it goes.
Switched to BIAB2019 32 bit and was able to wrap up a small simple project for a forum member in 45 minutes - sweet. No lockup out of the gate for me here.
Ive only ever used the 32 that came as standard until now.Over the weekend I set up 64.Im not using the midi side just RTs and so far I cant see what the difference is.Maybe thats why. Wendy
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Now that I've settled down with the 32-bit version it is just like every other upgrade...program still quirky (but in predictable ways) and a bunch of awesome new RealTracks and styles! I'm done wasting time on the 64-bit version and unfinished VST.
With that said...a HUGE THANK YOU to folks like Pipeline and RobH and others who continue to alpha test the VST and share its problems with PGM! If it ever gets fixed it will be in part due to your diligence and we will all benefit!
Repeated lockups - messages of corrupted files - can't save. How are you guys getting anything done in BAIB64 2019??
I can't speak for everyone but for me the VST and 64 bit EXE are not stable enough to consider using. If I released software in that state to any of my clients there would be no chance of them signing off on it for me to get paid, unless I was being paid in increments and an early beta release was one of the scheduled milestones.
Repeated lockups - messages of corrupted files - can't save. How are you guys getting anything done in BAIB64 2019??
Dan,
I haven't had any of these problems.
I know that you've probably done this, but just in case it slipped through the cracks... Have you set BBW64.EXE or the start-up shortcut to "Run as administrator"? When I read "can't save", that is usually a sign of this setting's absence.
[quote=MusicStudent]I know that you've probably done this, but just in case it slipped through the cracks... Have you set BBW64.EXE or the start-up shortcut to "Run as administrator"? When I read "can't save", that is usually a sign of this setting's absence.
it is trying to save a 2Meg file of only midi data? That is nonsense. Here is what I concluded - BIAB has never handled VSTs well in the past and it does not at the current time. Do some work, yes, but none work well.
I guess I forgot this for a short time caught up in all this 64bit hoopla. So I just need to return to my prior workflows to get the job done regarding midi sounds. I know we all want to do more in the box, but the reality is it will not replace other tools which are out of the box.
If you are having issues with 2019 you can try running 2018-520 until 2019 is working better look in C:\bb\Data\Backup\bb2018_backup and list it by date modified copy and rename the latest one it should be 520 and paste into C:\bb bbw 2018 520.exe and run. You should get all the new RTs RDs
If you are having issues with 2019, you are SOL if you did like I did and upgraded to the same directory that my more or less bulletproof copy of 2017 resided in.
I find even 2019's 32-bit version to be buggier than I want to put up with and I'm kicking myself now for having installed 2019 into the same directory as 2017. And no, I don't feel like reinstalling 2017, so I'll just put up with it and hope PGM works through the bugs fairly quickly.
Over the years, I've noticed that the forum is full of posts about bugs when a new version of BB comes out. It takes a few months for that to settle down. In spite of that, many people rush to buy as soon as the software is available.
So two thoughts come to mind:
1) The software isn't that expensive at full price considering what it does once it gets working properly. So was the discount worth all the trouble you are having?
2) Jford, Noel, the Fogles, Matt and a few others seem to have fewer problems with new versions. I think they know some things most of us don't and that shows in the solutions they give the rest of us. And many thanks for that.
Perhaps it would help the rest of us to study their computer specs and how they set up their files. Do they have a dedicated machine that does not get Windows Updates? Do they turn their wifi off and use a different machine for other tasks such as e-mail? Why are they so successful? Or maybe they just read the instructions more completely I don't know what it is, but there is a difference between these folks and the rest of us. I would like to know what it is so I can adopt their practices.
Most people have a multi purpose machine it searches the net, read emails, plays games and does music. That is always going to stretch the limits of what each can do. I use a laptop and yes it has to do more than audio. the best my system ever worked was when I had a dedicated desktop that was music only no other activities. This lappy was music only but my old desktop ate the buckwheat so.
Anyway later this year a new smoking music lappy will be mine and this old dawg will be for everything else.
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Well, for me the Price if worth a little Patience .... said the Pauper to the Prince. Knowing PG the lot will run smoothly after some updates, and boy, they seem quick on the draw this year ...
Over the years, I've noticed that the forum is full of posts about bugs when a new version of BB comes out. It takes a few months for that to settle down. In spite of that, many people rush to buy as soon as the software is available.
So two thoughts come to mind:
1) The software isn't that expensive at full price considering what it does once it gets working properly. So was the discount worth all the trouble you are having?
2) Jford, Noel, the Fogles, Matt and a few others seem to have fewer problems with new versions. I think they know some things most of us don't and that shows in the solutions they give the rest of us. And many thanks for that.
Perhaps it would help the rest of us to study their computer specs and how they set up their files. Do they have a dedicated machine that does not get Windows Updates? Do they turn their wifi off and use a different machine for other tasks such as e-mail? Why are they so successful? Or maybe they just read the instructions more completely I don't know what it is, but there is a difference between these folks and the rest of us. I would like to know what it is so I can adopt their practices.
Good questions. I can't promise this is true but my impression is that the others you mention have a similar situation as mine, in that I do not take any special actions for BIAB. My music production computer is on the Internet, has WiFi near it, and does everything else including email and other non-music programs. True, I used to have my main computer dedicated to music, but that was more than a decade ago. One thing that may be different is that I have built all my own computers since the early 1980s.
We do know some things about BIAB you don't, that much is correct. The names you mentioned are volunteer beta testers. We had a chance to run the program before it was released Dec. 1. We also get to test updates before they are released (generally a day or two later). As far as reading manuals, I think that's probably accurate but I've been in the computer field since 1977 (as a comp. sci. professor) and I tend to wing it first, then read the manual. Others I suspect are more orderly than I am, but that's good to have a mixture of learning styles doing the testing. Overall, I don't think we have fewer problems than anyone else. In fact, we intentionally try to discover them so they can be fixed: we try to break stuff.
BIAB 2019 introduced two new features that were definitely out of the ordinary, changing to 64-bit and adding a VST Plugin function. I think this resulted in more problems than usual. However, the program is getting pretty stable by now, and the VST is closing in on meeting people's needs. It's an exciting time to be running these programs. For anyone who doesn't like this kind of excitement, then I agree with the poster above who advises waiting a bit. The sales prices are still in effect for another week. Someone purchasing now, six weeks after release, would admittedly have a better experience than those who purchased Dec. 1. But don't forget, many have been using BIAB without any problems.
I hope this helps a little.
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Repeated lockups - messages of corrupted files - can't save. How are you guys getting anything done in BAIB64 2019??
I'd like to think that I'd never admit, that any computer program was killing me, but I do feel your pain... Currently 2019 64bit is doing what I need it to do for me, and I'm happy...
I'm still having issues with the 32bit version on my laptop, but the 64bit vers is pretty stable, and both versions are rock solid on the Studio machine...
btw: the only reason I still need the 32bit program is for the ability to export individual generated Audio Harmony parts to my DAW...
I agree with Matt's assessment. I do read the manual pretty often (and less so use the help file). I suspect because of the length of time I've used the program, I know the PGMusic lingo and as such, know what to search for.
My computer is multi-purpose, as well (I've got three computers - see my sig line).
That's not to say there were not problems. I'm one of the first to notice that 64-bit BIAB started distorting when you deviated even slightly from the suggested tempo (even though not everyone had the problem), and worked long, hard, and persistently with both PGMusic and other users until PGMusic figured out the problem had to do with how the computer performed floating point math in calculating time and pitch shifts for RealTracks, and then fixed it. That was a real potential show stopper, but we stuck with it until it worked correctly. It just took patience to get through it.
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