dmrodes, I wonder if you could share with me what you needed to do to get the image to be attached successfully?
Thanks
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Once someone finally said I needed to hit 'submit' - it worked... I expected once I hit 'done adding files' the jpg would show up in my reply - when it did not, I assumed it didn't work - truly non-user-friendly!
Regarding the phantom D7sus - I get that G / C / E are a PART of a D7sus, but without the D and A, it is merely a C chord - and to me, that is very poor programming/playing by the guitarist.
Also, I have that D7sus as a 'shot' to end the intro, and the guitar does not play anything! HUH ??
And I do have 'simple arrangement' set for EVERYTHING, and it really does not do anything to my ears... why is there no truly 'simple arrangements' of RT - for ALL instruments? I find it impossible to find any jazz guitar, bass. or drums RT that are not overplaying... almost to the point of me going back to MIDI...JMHO.
Using Oliver Gannon's RT #549 that you mention above, I just set BIAB to the key of G and generated 16 bars of D7sus. What I found was...
1. If Natural arrangement is enabled or disabled and 'Force simple arrangement' is active, then D7sus then BIAB plays G-C-E on the guitar and D (mostly) or A (occasionally) in the bass. To me, this combination of bass and guitar sounds like Dsus9.
2. If 'Force simple arrangement' is not active, whether or not 'Natural Arrangement' is on or off, then BIAB plays G-C-D (mostly), G-C-E (sometimes) and C-E-B (not very often) over a D bass.
From what I can tell, Oliver Gannon is also only playing 3-note chords. This means that when a 7th chord (i.e. 4 notes) is used, a note has to be sacrificed. I imagine that this is a contributing factor to the outcome you are experiencing. With this in mind, if Dsus is used instead of D7sus, the 3-note chord Dsus plays correctly (D-G-A).
While this doesn't solve your problem, hopefully it gives a little more insight into what you're experiencing.
Once someone finally said I needed to hit 'submit' - it worked... I expected once I hit 'done adding files' the jpg would show up in my reply - when it did not, I assumed it didn't work - truly non-user-friendly!
Oh, OK. You always have to press submit. I was anticipating that you had pressed submit because actually you can't make any post at all unless you press submit.
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"Oliver Gannon is also only playing 3-note chords" - why ? If I expect to hear a true D7sus chord, I don't want the guitarist playing a C !! Is this some 'jazz thing' guitarists do that I'm not familiar with? I've been a musician for over 40 years and this is a new one on me...
Oh, OK. You always have to press submit I would have expected to see the image when I hit Preview Post to see exactly what the image looked like - rather than having the post submitted and having to delete it due to a wrong or poor image... again - poor programming ( I was a programmer/analyst for 25 years...)
Like I mentioned before, 'We are only end users, like you.' We too can only participate. We can't change the way the forum operates.
Could it be improved? Probably. But also, could nearly everything be improved? Yes, probably.
Most importantly, now you know how
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"Oliver Gannon is also only playing 3-note chords" - why ? If I expect to hear a true D7sus chord, I don't want the guitarist playing a C !! Is this some 'jazz thing' guitarists do that I'm not familiar with? I've been a musician for over 40 years and this is a new one on me...
dmrodes, I am a guitarist so I know what I'm speaking of. So let me explain : There is not a wrong chord.
Oliver Gannon plays 3-notes chords and he's right. When you are comping at the guitar, mainly in jazz genres, you don't play the bass - played by the bass player or piano - Keep in mind you are not here playing hard rock music...We are in the jazz register.
Then you don't include the fifth ( the A note in D7sus), because this note is not chord determinant.
So playing a 3-note chord adds to guitarist more agility in the play, and overall it enables the guitarist to play extended chords. That is what Oliver Gannon did. Another example : when I was a guitar studend, I have spent much time in playing 3-notes chords like Joe Pass. If you are a guitarist, I invite you to investigate the 3-notes domain : A little bit difficult at the beginning but a real musical and rich guitar experience.
RE: Noel96 if Dsus is used instead of D7sus, the 3-note chord Dsus plays correctly (D-G-A). That is incorrect - the guitar still plays G-C-E...
OK - I get that playing 3 note chords IS a 'jazz thing' - but when I'm expecting a D7sus and hear the guitarist playing a simple C - just doesn't work for me - almost 'cheating' in a way...JMHO.
Again, is there a reason the guitar does not play a 'shot' ?
Yes, as I said, at the beginning it is a little bit confusing. In this way of playing 3-note chords, you have to forget to play full harmony chords, as we do for example in rocks/pop genres or country.
You have to imagine, you are playing in small combo group, let's ay a piano, a bass and the guitar.
The general harmony D7sus is given by the bass playing the root note, here the D note AND by the piano which will lay the 5th note, here the A note, within its chording play ; then the guitar will have more 'freedom', 'agility', call it as you want, to explore extended chords. Thus, you can get a very full and elaborate jazz sound.
John-Luke, good explanation. Fundamentally, reviewing three notes is never adequate to determine the exact chord type and inversion. Other instruments (e.g. bass), and previous musical passages leading up to the specific chord help to establish this as well.
Once you get away from major diatonic scales, the rules are not so much 'rules' anymore.
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