|
Log in to post
|
Print Thread |
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 13
Newbie
|
OP
Newbie
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 13 |
I've created a 16 bar minor blues with the first 4 chords being: Am7 E/G# Gsus F#m7b5. After the first chorus is played consistent with the chords as written, these 4 bars are played by BIAB as Am Dm Am Am for the remaining choruses. Why the change, and how do I preclude it? I have Natural Arrangement turned off. I want to continue with the chromatic movement in the first 4 chords during the remainder of the choruses. Any help/advice would be much appreciated. Randall
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 20,214
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 20,214 |
Hi Randall,
Am I interpreting your post correctly when I read it to mean that you have 16 bars that are set to the progression you've given (Am6, E/G#, Gsus, F#m7b5) and then these 16 bars are repeated 3 more times (a total of 4 choruses)?
If that's the case, a couple thoughts spring to mind...
1. Are any of your tracks frozen while you tested other chord progressions?
2. In addition to disabling "Natural Arrangement" activate the Song Setting "Force Simple Arrangement" (for all tracks). This forces BIAB to play the chords as given.
Regards,
Noel
MY SONGS...Audiophile BIAB 2025
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 20,827
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 20,827 |
In addition to the good advice above, had you ever exported the sequence to an audio WAV or MP3 file? If so, BiaB might be playing that audio file instead. Check in the same folder as your song file (SGU) for an audio file with the same filename.
BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Professional & Windows 11, Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 13
Newbie
|
|
OP
Newbie
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 13 |
Thanks for the ideas.
The 4 bars listed in the first post are only the first 4 bars of a 16 bars blues. Here's the whole sequence:
Am7 E/G# Gsus F#m7b5
Fmaj7 Dm7 C6 Am7
Fmaj7 E7 Dm7 Bb7
Am7 Abdim Bdim Fmaj7 E7#9 Bdim Bb7
In the first chorus looking at the notation I see the first 4 chords played as written. But for all subsequent choruses the first 4 bars are played as
Am Dm Am Am
As such the chromatic sound of A => G# => G => F# is lost.
I made the changes in the Song Settings dialogue as recommended. No change occurred.
I have not created a .MGU or .mp3 file which could be playing.
Any further ideas would be appreciated. Randall
NOTE: When posted the spaces in the way the progression was laid out were all removed. To eliminate confusion, bars 13-16 are laid out as follows:
13 - Am7
14 - Bdim Abdim
15 - Fmaj7
16 - E7#9 Bdim Bb7
Last edited by RandallSmith; 02/14/19 06:59 AM.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,355
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,355 |
That's a blues? I think I've underestimated the blues.  I would have guessed the ideas that have already been given. Otherwise, I suppose I would do a Return to Factory Settings if this happened to me. RandallSmith, can you post the song so we can try it? Maybe place it in a Public area of Dropbox (free) and post the link here.
BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Slate VSX, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 13
Newbie
|
|
OP
Newbie
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 13 |
Mike and others: Hopefully this is what you needed to listen to the song: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/nwp9r6mdveg66tk/AADPFgcX7fURPpk_qlh_SfLRa?dl=0If it's playable, check Notation to see that after the first chorus the chords in the first 4 bars are changed in a way that makes improvising using the chromatic elements sound wrong. Randall
Last edited by RandallSmith; 02/14/19 07:48 AM.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,355
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,355 |
That song bears no resemblance to what you wrote. For one thing, it comes in with a complex chord on each beat at the tempo of quarter = 500.
The first four beats are:
Gb7(#5#9)/Bb
B13(#5#9#11)/D
A13(#5)/C#
D#7(#5#9#11)/F#
Etc.
Not chromatic at all.
You cannot be serious?
BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Slate VSX, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,355
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 27,355 |
This is how your song loaded for me. I'm a jazz player but this one almost gave me a heart attack. The tempo is 500! And look at these chords! https://mattfinley.com/promos/blues.pdf
BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Slate VSX, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 13
Newbie
|
|
OP
Newbie
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 13 |
Matt: You can see from my screen grabs that what you ended up with has basically nothing to do with what I wrote. If you have the time, and are willing, perhaps you could quickly create a new BIAB song file with the chords as laid out and see if the problem with the first 4 bars of choruses 2-6 appears for you. Thanks, Randall
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,382
PG Music Staff
|
|
PG Music Staff
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,382 |
Hi Randall,
I see what happened. This song file only has one chorus, and you used the Repeats function to repeat those first 16 bars 6 times.
I think you then changed the chords in bars 1-16 after creating the repeat (which doesn't automatically change the chords in the repeat), as if I turn off Fakesheet Mode, I see completely different chords in the repeated sections than I do in bars 1-16.
For example, bars 1-4 say Am7 E/G# Gsus F#m7b5, and in the repeated sections, it's Am7 Dm7 Am7 Am7 (which is likely what you entered originally).
If you go into Edit - Song Form - Repeats/Codas/1st-2nd Endings - Edit List, you can delete that repeat, then remove the repeated bars and set bars 1-16 as your chorus, with that chorus repeating as many times as you like. That way when you edit the chords, it will automatically change the chords for the whole song, not just the first time through.
If you want additional bars to play after that repeated section, you can set up a Tag Ending through Song Settings.
Thanks
Kent
PG Music
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 13
Newbie
|
|
OP
Newbie
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 13 |
Problem solved. In rebuilding the song file I found that when pasting in 16 bars the simplified chording was inserted. I'm not sure where that came from, but presume that it was some form of "operator error." Now the chord changes play through as written. I assume that the file was corrupted in some way and that this was the source of Matt's wacky layout on opening the file. A revised BIAB file is in Dropbox at the link below. Thanks for your assistance. https://www.dropbox.com/s/5pxbj5892hker7g/16%20bar%20minor%20blues.SGU?dl=0
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 13
Newbie
|
|
OP
Newbie
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 13 |
Kent: Many thanks. You're right. I elaborated the Am7 Dm7 Am7 Am7 into the Am7 E/G# Gsus F#m7b5 after I set up the repeats. I was not aware that changes under such a circumstance within a repeat section do not impact all of the repeats. Lesson learned. Randall
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.
ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box 2026 Video: The Newly Designed Piano Roll Window
In this video, we explore the updated Piano Roll, complete with a modernized look and exciting new features. You’ll see new filtering options that make it easy to focus on specific note groups, smoother and more intuitive note entry and editing, and enhanced options for zooming, looping, and more.
Watch the video.
You can see all the 2026 videos on our forum!
Band-in-a-Box 2026 Video: AI Stems & Notes - split polyphonic audio into instruments and transcribe
This video demonstrates how to use the new AI-Notes feature together with the AI-Stems splitter, allowing you to select an audio file and have it separated into individual stems while transcribing each one to its own MIDI track. AI-Notes converts polyphonic audio—either full mixes or individual instruments—into MIDI that you can view in notation or play back instantly.
Watch the video.
You can see all the 2026 videos on our forum!
Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®
With your version 2026 for Windows Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons for FREE! Or upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2026 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 27 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 25 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 12 new RealStyles.
- MIDI Styles Set 92: Look Ma! More MIDI 15: Latin Jazz
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 46: Piano & Organ
- Instrumental Studies Set 24: Groovin' Blues Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 19: Songs with Vocals 9
- Playable RealTracks Set 5
- RealDrums Stems Set 9: Cool Brushes
- SynthMaster Sounds Set 1 (with audio demos)
- Android Band-in-a-Box® App (included)
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyle.
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- MIDI Styles Set 93: Look Ma! More MIDI 16: SynthMaster
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
- Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
- RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
- SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®!
Video: New User Interface (GUI)
Join Tobin as he takes you on a tour of the new user interface in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®! This modern GUI redesign offers a sleek new look with updated toolbars, refreshed windows, and a smoother workflow. The brand-new side toolbar puts track selection, the MultiPicker Library, and other essential tools right at your fingertips. Plus, our upgraded Multi-View lets you layer multiple windows without overlap, giving you a highly flexible workspace. Many windows—including Tracks, Piano Roll, and more—have been redesigned for improved usability and a cleaner, more intuitive interface, and more!
Watch the video.
You can see all the 2026 videos on our forum!
Introducing XPro Styles PAK 10 – Now Available for Windows Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 10 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 28 RealTracks and RealDrums!
Few things are certain in life: death, taxes, and a brand spankin’ new XPro Styles PAK! In this, the 10th edition of our XPro Styles PAK series, we’ve got 100 styles coming your way! We have the classic 25 styles each from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, and rounding out this volume's wildcard slot is 25 styles in the Praise & Worship genre! A wide spanning genre, you can find everything from rock, folk, country, and more underneath its umbrella. The included 28 RealTracks and RealDrums can be used with any Band-in-a-Box® 2026 (and higher) package.
Here’s just a small sampling of what you can look forward to in XPro Styles PAK 10: Soft indie folk worship songs, bumpin’ country boogies, gospel praise breaks, hard rockin’ pop, funky disco grooves, smooth Latin jazz pop, bossa nova fusion, western swing, alternative hip-hop, cool country funk, and much more!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 10 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 10 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Introducing Xtra Styles PAK 21 – Now Available for Windows Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!
Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest Xtra Styles PAK installment—the all new Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher)!
Rejoice, one and all, for Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box® is here! We’re serving up 200 brand spankin’ new styles to delight your musical taste buds! The first three courses are the classics you’ve come to know and love, including offerings from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, but, not to be outdone, this year’s fourth course is bro country! A wide ranging genre, you can find everything from hip-hop, uptempo outlaw country, hard hitting rock, funk, and even electronica, all with that familiar bro country flair. The dinner bell has been rung, pickup up Xtra Styles PAK 21 today!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Energetic folk rock, raucous train beats, fast country boogies, acid jazz grooves, laid-back funky jams, a bevy of breezy jazz waltzes, calm electro funk, indie synth pop, industrial synth metal, and more bro country than could possibly fit in the back of a pickup truck!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 21 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 21 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 21.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 21 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 21 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
Introducing XPro Styles PAK 10 – Now Available for Mac Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 10 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 28 RealTracks and RealDrums!
Few things are certain in life: death, taxes, and a brand spankin’ new XPro Styles PAK! In this, the 10th edition of our XPro Styles PAK series, we’ve got 100 styles coming your way! We have the classic 25 styles each from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, and rounding out this volume's wildcard slot is 25 styles in the Praise & Worship genre! A wide spanning genre, you can find everything from rock, folk, country, and more underneath its umbrella. The included 28 RealTracks and RealDrums can be used with any Band-in-a-Box® 2026 (and higher) package.
Here’s just a small sampling of what you can look forward to in XPro Styles PAK 10: Soft indie folk worship songs, bumpin’ country boogies, gospel praise breaks, hard rockin’ pop, funky disco grooves, smooth Latin jazz pop, bossa nova fusion, western swing, alternative hip-hop, cool country funk, and much more!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 10 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 10 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forums57
Topics85,373
Posts791,388
Members39,865
| |
Most Online25,754
Jan 24th, 2025
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
There are no members with birthdays on this day. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dansk
Deutsch - Windows
Español
Français - Windows
Italiano - Windows
Nederlands
Polski
Português
Svenskt
русский
Japanese
Simplified Chinese
Traditional Chinese
Korean