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Is this no longer enforced?
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I would think so unless the songs are in the public domain.
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I'm not sure anything much is "enforced" on the board other than through peer pressure.
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You can link to a youtube cover version you create on the I Heard BIAB On Youtube forum. Peter said in a post on there long ago that was okay.
But the user showcase forum is only for originals unless you have a license or the song is public domain.
Most people here follow the rules so it rarely comes up.
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My understanding of PD is, after a number of years, the rights to use the song are turned over to the public. In the jurisdiction, We all own the song.
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My understanding of PD is, after a number of years, the rights to use the song are turned over to the public. In the jurisdiction, We all own the song. Many, many years. Most countries are life of the author PLUS 70 years. The USA in a nutshell: Life + 70 years (works published since 1978 or unpublished works)[228] 95 years from publication or 120 years from creation whichever is shorter (anonymous works, pseudonymous works, or works made for hire, published since 1978)[229] 95 years from publication for works published 1964–77; 28 (if copyright not renewed) or 95 years from publication for works published 1924–63 (Copyrights prior to 1924 have expired, not including copyrights on sound recordings fixed prior to February 15, 1972, covered only under state laws.)[
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Yeah, what Herb said.
Way too many people taking liberties with the "we all own this" mentality. I don't like it.
If you are a writer it is not a "we all own this" scenario--the writer owns it, at least well past the point when they are dead, as Herb pointed out.
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Yeah, what Herb said.
Way too many people taking liberties with the "we all own this" mentality. I don't like it.
If you are a writer it is not a "we all own this" scenario--the writer owns it, at least well past the point when they are dead, as Herb pointed out.
And this is, indeed, the song WRITERS forum. Not the song RE-DOERS forum. There should be a separate forum for all these covers of public domain songs. I know I can scroll past, so don't tell me that, but I don't care about redos of old music. I want to hear YOUR original ideas.
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And this is, indeed, the song WRITERS forum. Not the song RE-DOERS forum. There should be a separate forum for all these covers of public domain songs. I know I can scroll past, so don't tell me that, but I don't care about redo's of old music. I want to hear YOUR original ideas. That's how I see it but my opinion means nothing. Hmmm.....I do see a potential conundrum though. What if I decide to do a cover of my own recent BIAB song upload? Which forum should be graced with my masterpiece.  (I'm just funnin' ya) On a serious note....do carry on.
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This calls for a ruling by the forum owners. The introduction reads, "The songs must be originals, no copyrighted or "cover" songs. You must have all of the rights to the songs." My opinion, this leaves room for original compositions and interpretations of songs whose rights are owned by the musicians. Public domain material qualifies on that basis. Common sense tells me PGM's interest would be to protect the interests of copyright holders and stay away from any infringement claims. I am careful to have copies of the original sheet music for any song I work with or post. Not everyone might be this careful. Therefore, there some risk, as there is with anything, encouraging public domain song posting. For that reason and a couple of others, I would understand perfectly if PD songs were excluded. Still, to claim something has been done that is wrong is absurd. The idea that posting songs that someone might not want to hear is some kind of imposition or creates a hardship is incredulous. As far as the ownership issue is concerned, David is exactly right on that. At issue is the right to use, not ownership.I stand corrected on that bad choice of words picked up on the internet, while in no way conceding some poet of composer has been hurt by my use of songs that have both survived the test of time and have become part of the culture that transcends private property law. Here's a fairly good explanation of fair use: https://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/public-domain/welcome/One of the really great things about the forum is the technical aspects of recording and home producing. Another thing is the discussion of the software, itself. Another are the videos and instructions. Are these topics included in "no business being here," category of the song writers?
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Personally...
I don't mind listening to a "redo"...
I just like hearing what others are doing with Biab...
I find it mentally stimulating & ...
I enjoy listening to their creations....
So keep 'em coming!
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Unfortunately I am not clever nor imaginative enough to write songs. I write something and to me it always sounds like something else, even if only very loosely. However, I fully understand PGs position on the original material type rule. The last thing that PG Music would want is a reputation (let alone legal issues) for promoting the stealing of copywrited material. That is the way I see it and I think that is a good thing.
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I've redone a number of my own so it must be an infringement ? LOL
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I've redone a number of my own so it must be an infringement ? LOL Only if you didn't pay yourself royalties. LOL!!! My point is that this is the Song WRITERS forum. People are free to do ALL the covers they like. I just think, again it's my opinion and you are free to disagree (and most of you DO disagree with anything that comes from me), that covers, public domain or not, don't belong in a forum for WRITERS. That is not writing anything. There is another place to post links to covers. Let me post the start of this new book I am "writing". "It was the best of times. It was the worst of times." Dickens wrote that in 1859. It MUST be public domain by now, so I am free to "write" it and claim it is my own work, right? I mean, he's been dead for like 150 years and it's not like it's going to get back to him..... That is one of my favorite books. Though I have to admit that before I read it I thought it was about Minneapolis and St. Paul....
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Well, all right, Eddie. If you feel that strongly about it, I'll refrain from posting my versions of public domain hymns, none of which I intended to pass off as my original composition. I have no interest in debating the finer points of copyright definitions which could develop into something that might discourage, among others, my friends here in the forum, to whom I remain indebted for countless incidents of feedback and knowledge provision.
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Unfortunately I have to disagree with Eddie on his assumption the Users Showcase is a strict songwriting forum for several reasons. First and most importantly, his definition is so restrictive there are some of my original songs that didn't qualify to be posted. I have had several forum members 'cover' my original works and they released the song here in the Users Showcase. Other forum members have done the same with other forum members. By every definition, these songs are covers and do not qualify under Eddie's restrictive code. A cover is not constrained to a commercial hit song. I am aware that in the past some forum members have corroborated with friends or family and used BIAB to create the instrumental backing tracks of their song and posted these on the Users Showcase with the writers permission. Again, this falls short using Eddie's narrow and restrictive interpretation of proper use of the Users Showcase.
Second, It has been my understanding the entire time I have been a forum member that if one had all the rights to a song, it could be posted in the Users Showcase. Over the years, several members obtained legal license to commercially and privately record and release copyrighted material and some of those releases made it to the Users Showcase. When it has been questioned in the past, every time, inclusion of the license number was sufficient to stop any assertion the song was either improperly or illegally posted against standing Users Showcase regulations.
Third, it is my understanding the entire time I have been a forum member the Users Showcase is a song forum and not a songwriting forum. It is to showcase members use of PGMusic software in their music production. There are at least three other forums on the PGMusic site that direct focus more toward unauthorized covers of copyrighted material or songwriting subject that buttress my position in my opinion. My assessment is that Eddie's assumption and decision the Users Showcase is a songwriting forum is incorrect and not supported by the listed regulations nor past enforcement and acceptance of posted songs.
Fourth, public domain songs have always been considered the BIAB artist has all rights to the song and publishing them in the Users Showcase has been accepted the entire time I have been a forum member.
Fifth: Eddie posted this in the wrong forum......
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Well, all right, Eddie. If you feel that strongly about it, I'll refrain from posting my versions of public domain hymns, none of which I intended to pass off as my original composition. I have no interest in debating the finer points of copyright definitions which could develop into something that might discourage, among others, my friends here in the forum, to whom I remain indebted for countless incidents of feedback and knowledge provision. now we're starting to get ridiculous. Songs that are obviously no longer covered by a copyright as in PUBLIC DOMAIN songs are not included in this "prohibited by PG" category. The rules as posted say no copyrighted songs. As in the copyright is still valid. If you want to cover a copyrighted song, you are free to do so IF.... you own the right to license the song and have bought the proper license and paid your fees to the owner of the copyright. Several folks have done that here in the past. To be legit, you simply post the license number in your OP.... However, MOST, but not ALL hymns are now public domain and you are free to cover them as you wish. BTW: PG isn't the only site that doesn't want covers of copyrighted songs posted.
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