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Does anyone here honestly believe that if members posting their original versions of public domain songs were a problem that Peter and his legal team wouldn't have put a stop to it by 2019?
I can't believe how ridiculous this thread has gone. A discussion supposedly concerned about covering copyrighted songs has devolved into this. It might be amusing if it wasn't so downright sad.
+1 If the goal is really to enforce the rules, debating it in the forum is the wrong approach. We have no power of enforcement. The matter should be directed to PGMusic, and no doubt they will do whatever they think is appropriate. On the other hand, if the goal is mainly just to stir the $#!+, then things are going along according to plan. No change required.
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Wow.... this has gone to some serious nit picking and hard stances. PG simply asks that you don't violate the copyright laws. The songs must be originals, no copyrighted or "cover" songs. You must have all of the rights to the songs.Yes, the wording says songs must be originals. However, until the PG legal team weighs in and gives a ruling on this.... suffice it to say .... Original intent of the law... or rule, in this case is to kindly request that users post songs that are not violations of the copyright laws. In order to conform to "not a violation of copyright law" one would simply have to do one of two things. Either write an original song or secure the license and therefore the rights, to use the song. When you buy the license.... you do in fact have ALL Rights to use that song in the manner prescribed in your license agreement. And if you have an online license, you can post it here legally. Prove me wrong.  Peter Gannon is free to comment and the only one who can actually comment with authority and a definitive statement one way or the other. ( Or his legal team... and you know he has one )
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All of this because a mute veteran who lives in a nursing home and is the biggest supporter of PGMusic decided to post some of his earlier songs, sharing some of the best days of his life to his friends here! This thread makes me sick!
If this is an issue you and I can't do a thing about it and all it has caused is some hurt feelings.
If this was an issue the PGMusic would have stopped it my now. Some from the company have even posted that they liked the songs.
If anyone has an issue like this they should complain to PGMusic.
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Hi Mario
I sincerely hope this is not the case that is an awful shame if it is so.
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“All of this because a mute veteran who lives in a nursing home and is the biggest supporter of PGMusic decided to post some of his earlier songs, sharing some of the best days of his life to his friends here! This thread makes me sick!”
I don’t like Hymns on here myself so I don’t listen, but I’m sure some do.
If I wanted hymns I would go to church. I don’t come on a music forum to be preached to!
Anyway surely that comes under religion? Original or otherwise.
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if public domain were wrong here why are the folders of BiaB filled with them.
why does someone always have to take others to the wood shed. geeeeez folks listen to the ones you like and don't listen to the other songs. post what you feel is appropriate, and forget telling others what they can and cant do. lastly leave the police work to the police. if we step over the line PGM will correct it as they have in the past. that is why they hire and pay moderators for the forums
what a childish and fruitless conversation this has been
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I'm going to have one final input on this topic. It's time it was closed as this has caused more bad feeling than anything else I've seen on here for a few years
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if public domain were wrong here why are the folders of BiaB filled with them.
why does someone always have to take others to the wood shed. geeeeez folks listen to the ones you like and don't listen to the other songs. post what you feel is appropriate, and forget telling others what they can and cant do.
lastly leave the police work to the police. if we step over the line PGM will correct it as they have in the past. that is why they hire and pay moderators for the forums
what a childish and fruitless conversation this has been Amen!
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It's curious to note that radio stations around the world are airing my COVERS without question.
Taken to the extreme, it's probably a copyright infringement to sit around the campfire with friends and sing John Denver songs.
Perhaps if money were involved but that is not the case here. Rather, it's a group of international friends bonding closer by sharing their music. In this divisive world, I think we need much more of that, not less.
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I don’t have a dog in this fight because I don’t post my music to the forums; not because I don’t have original material and not because I don’t use BIAB in my recordings but because my final recordings end up being not enough BIAB to make it a showcase of what BIAB can do. There are some very obvious things that need to be said before this discussions goes onto the 8th page of commentary:
1. Whatever rules that govern this forum and any of the sub forums are made by Peter and the employees of PG Music.
2. The interpretation and enforcement of those rules is the sole responsibility of PG Music.
3. PG Music is aware of this discussion since we saw the moderators take an ENFORCEMENT ACTION by moving this thread from its original location to the off-topic forum.
4. Despite being aware of this discussion, PG Music has chosen to NOT make a Declaration concerning proper interpretation of the rules which most likely means they have chosen to allow the current status quo to exist WITHOUT codifying it by putting it into writing. (Never put into writing something that can come back and bite you later).
5. Each participant in this discussion can do their own research but there are two areas of inquiry which would be enlightening for someone who is not just doing this to stir the pot. What enforcement actions have been taken against postings that supposedly violate the defined rules for the Users Showcase? Even more enlightening: Has a forum member ever been recognized with a Users Showcase Award after posting a non-original song to the sub forum? Before beating this dead horse into a bloody puddle check those two things.
6. Someone who wants to blow the forum up with indiscriminate posts to make a point can certainly do that but it would just ruin a very good thing for no good reason. Don’t do it.
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Hi Mario
I sincerely hope this is not the case that is an awful shame if it is so.
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“All of this because a mute veteran who lives in a nursing home and is the biggest supporter of PGMusic decided to post some of his earlier songs, sharing some of the best days of his life to his friends here! This thread makes me sick!”
I don’t like Hymns on here myself so I don’t listen, but I’m sure some do.
If I wanted hymns I would go to church. I don’t come on a music forum to be preached to!
Anyway surely that comes under religion? Original or otherwise.
Mike
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if public domain were wrong here why are the folders of BiaB filled with them.
why does someone always have to take others to the wood shed. geeeeez folks listen to the ones you like and don't listen to the other songs. post what you feel is appropriate, and forget telling others what they can and cant do.
lastly leave the police work to the police. if we step over the line PGM will correct it as they have in the past. that is why they hire and pay moderators for the forums
what a childish and fruitless conversation this has been Amen! I agree.
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It's so predictable that EVERY time an opportunity presents itself to insult musicians who don't happen to be songwriters, we know exactly who's going to lead the charge. It begs the question, are non-songwriters unworthy to participate in playing music? Of course not! To even suggest that is ludicrous and snobbish. For the record, I've written somewhere in the neighborhood of 50 songs so I'm all for encouraging others to do the same. What I'm against is trying to make musicians who aren't songwriters feel as if they are inferior to those who do write their own material. I'll give one more Amen to RobH: if public domain were wrong here why are the folders of BiaB filled with them.
why does someone always have to take others to the wood shed. geeeeez folks listen to the ones you like and don't listen to the other songs. post what you feel is appropriate, and forget telling others what they can and cant do. lastly leave the police work to the police. if we step over the line PGM will correct it as they have in the past. that is why they hire and pay moderators for the forums
what a childish and fruitless conversation this has been
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to me it's very interesting how we as people can have such varied views of a simple sentence.
"The songs must be originals, no copyrighted or "cover" songs. You must have all of the rights to the songs.
you can pick that sentence apart and come up with several conclusions. As was said the first five words san only originals, but then the sentence also implies the need to have rights to the song. It also adds in the middle the concept of copyrights or covers neither of which applies to PD music.
So the sentence is pretty wide and not black and white, however or can be interpreted in more than one way.
But really the issue is not which way the sentence can be interpreted, but actually why does one's interpretation supersede another's? Why puff up one's chest and bark about right or wrong, about a viewpoint in regard to anything that actually is not that persons jurisdiction or area of responsibility.
Human reasoning is certainly interesting. Makes me shake my head sometimes.
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I'm going to have one final input on this topic. It's time it was closed as this has caused more bad feeling than anything else I've seen on here for a few years Hi Graham, I consider the PG forums to be the most friendly of those I know in the Internet world. But I think it is fine with a discussion like this - no one is using bad words or calling other people "idiots" or bad stuff like that. I think there should be room for an interesting and important topic like this. Will
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I'm going to have one final input on this topic. It's time it was closed as this has caused more bad feeling than anything else I've seen on here for a few years Hi Graham, I consider the PG forums to be the most friendly of those I know in the Internet world. But I think it is fine with a discussion like this - no one is using bad words or calling other people "idiots" or bad stuff like that. I think there should be room for an interesting and important topic like this. Will Well said and true!
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I have never posted my COVERS in the User's Showcase thinking that they didn't meet the qualifications. I only use the Off Topic thread.
I feel like I have been given a Tabasco sauce enema.
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Perhaps if money were involved but that is not the case here. Rather, it's a group of international friends bonding closer by sharing their music. In this divisive world, I think we need much more of that, not less.
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I have never posted my COVERS in the User's Showcase thinking that they didn't meet the qualifications. I only use the Off Topic thread.
I feel like I have been given a Tabasco sauce enema. Oooohhh. I've never heard of that but imagine that it might not be so good.  Thanks for the laugh, Donny!
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I feel like I have been given a Tabasco sauce enema.
Oh my....
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I feel like I have been given a Tabasco sauce enema.
I’m not going to ask how you know what that feels like.
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