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that's the way it is here. I actually got a ton of work done in MTS, but since I grew up on cakewalk, I liked that type of process. I found it though in studio one. I had bought version 2.65 and then downloaded cakewalk by bandlab found it very familiar. but after extensive testing I still liked studio one better so I upgraded to version 4. I still love MTS but the flow in S1 suits me and I prefer it, just like you prefer Sonar/cakewalk what it really boils down to is how each person works.
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I read through all the posts on this thread and don't think I found a single person mentioning Logic Pro X.
Can't help but wonder why?
Perhaps the change of OS from Win to Mac?
Its certainly a professional level DAW widely used.
I have a copy of it and was considering it for use as my DAW.
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I read through all the posts on this thread and don't think I found a single person mentioning Logic Pro X.
Can't help but wonder why?
Perhaps the change of OS from Win to Mac?
Its certainly a professional level DAW widely used.
I have a copy of it and was considering it for use as my DAW.
I thought Logic Pro X was Mac only, if so, that would be why it does not show up here that much. A lot of people swear by Logic Pro X.
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Indeed it is Mac only.
I still run both Win and MAC os machines at my house.
Even run BIAB win on my mac under parallels sometime when traveling.
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rharv put me onto this ...
I thinks it's the same mixer in his avatar. Indeed it is. If I turned you on to something it must have been a good day. 
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
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A couple of things that bother me about RB, is that although you can group multiple channels to a single subgroup, you cannot record a mixer move on the combined fader, nor, to the best of my knowlege, can you easily automate a whole song fade-out.
Thanks for your time and consideration of this!
Warren, you've gotten all the standard comments about many different DAW's which probably mean nothing to you at this point. They're all good, they're all bad, they're all just OK depending on who you ask. Bottom line they will all get the job done. What I want to ask you is to list exactly what you think RB won't do. Here you listed two, the subgroup record mixer move thing I think is correct but the automatic fade out is easily done using Audio Effects>Gain Change. In that window you can set an automatic fade out however you want it. Folks will say they need another DAW because they can't get RB to do what they want but many times that's not true they just haven't figured it out yet. Having said that other DAW's certainly can have more and better features than RB does but define what's meant by "more and better". I personally find RB is perfectly capable of doing everything I need but that's for me, maybe not for you which is why I'm asking you to list the things you think RB can't do that you really need. I completely agree with you, having to learn a brand new DAW can be a real PIA. Bob
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All DAWs have pluses and minuses. No DAW will do everything. You just have to pick a DAW that not only does most of what you want in a DAW but also fits your workflow.
I personally think that a DAW that fits your workflow is more important because DAW updates may contain things that you want. Plus all DAWs have workarounds, even RB.
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I just found some info I didn't know about. I like the Keyboard Corner forum since I'm a keys player. Just 10 days ago the moderators were able to buy out and revamp the entire Music Player Forums network including Guitar Forum, Lowdown (bass) Form, the Keyboard Corner AND something new they incorporated Craig Anderton's Sound, Studio and Stage Forum. He talks a lot about DAW's and just by reading his comments on this stuff you pick up interesting things about the various DAW's like one thread asking is Pro Tools dead? This thread I'm posting is about Sonar but it also has lots of tidbits in it about other DAW's specifically Studio One: http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2994239/is-sonar-still-relavent#Post2994239I suggest you read some of the other DAW threads in the forum Warren because there are so many hidden gotcha's or great features that he talked about depending on what you specifically are looking for. Bob
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Craig has been around a long time. I red him and learned all I know about midi from him via Electronic Musician magazine.
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I keep thinking I am going to purchase a DAW until I realize that Audacity is doing everything I need.
Free is good until I grow out of it.
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I use Audacity for editing audio a lot. I find it easy to use and accurate.
The problem is Audacity doesn't accommodate midi so you can't use it to create audio from midi and soft synths.
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I have not taken the midi plunge, yet, other than to see if it basically worked on my computer.
I got a Focusrite (and some other sound equipment) to install for a friend who has had some very serious health issues. He does work with midi so I hope to learn some things from him.
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Craig has been around a long time. I read him and learned all I know about midi from him via Electronic Musician magazine. I'm in the same boat John. Used to read that one a lot as well as Keyboard mag.
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Craig has been around a long time. I read him and learned all I know about midi from him via Electronic Musician magazine. I'm in the same boat John. Used to read that one a lot as well as Keyboard mag. The boat is getting crowded! I use to read Electronic Musician and Keyboard magazine also.
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So... you're looking for a full featured DAW that is easy to learn. I ran into limitations with RB right at the start. So I never really got into using it but instead stayed with the cakewalk line. I started with MC 4 on a new Dell laptop that I still have, and it still runs MC4. I then transitioned through MC5 ( I won that on in a contest by CW) into MC6, (that one was given to me as a power user by CW) and then they offered me a no-brainer crossgrade to Sonar X1 that I could not refuse. I have been using X1 ever since.
Originally, before I settled on using Cakewalk I'd tried a few of them in the past. I bought an interface that came with the LE versions of several different DAWs. I ended up going with the Cakewalk line of DAWs and have stuck with it ever since.
It handles audio and midi well, supports most all of the VSTs on the market, and comes with a bunch of things that make it easy to work with.
Yep.... Bandlab is giving you the big full flagship version of Sonar for free. As I recall it was over $350 back in the day for this version. As I understand it, this is a deal with no strings attached. Like BiaB it has a lot of stuff in it that you will probably never need or use. So you learn what you need to know to run the DAW and do what you need. It does allow the use of automation of volume on all the channels and busses including the master.
Once you learn it, it's easy to use.
I've been a caker for well past a decade. Probably closing in on two full decades now.... I started with Cakewalk Pro 8 which ran on Win95. I will continue to use Sonar until my DAW computer dies. Then I'll figure out what I need to do in order to upgrade to something more recent and in 64 or 128 bit.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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I have not taken the midi plunge, yet, other than to see if it basically worked on my computer.
I got a Focusrite (and some other sound equipment) to install for a friend who has had some very serious health issues. He does work with midi so I hope to learn some things from him.
...Deb Deb, learning a new topic while helping someone is a great way to learn. It's a win win!
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