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Hope I explain this correctly. BIAB allows 4 beats to the line which corresponds to one line of a song. Sometimes I find a song which has a 5th beat at the end of a chorus before it goes into the second verse. It is sort of a little vocal pause between sections of the song. How do I handle this outside of using a 4 beat instrumental break to separate the sections? Does this thing have a name in music? Thanks Bill

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Hi Bill,

That 5th beat sounds like it might be a pick-up note and not really a 5th beat. It's also possible that it could be a pause (also called a fermata) where one holds the note longer than written.

Can you give me the name of the song you mean and I'll have a listen on Youtube to see if I can isolate the issue.

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Hi bmolie,

Welcome to the forum and to Band-in-a-Box. One way to add a pause is to use the tempo settings available at any bar by pressing the F5 key on your computer keyboard.

I've had more success using the "% Change in Tempo" setting than the "Tempo Change To " setting but everybody works differently. I'll start with a change like change the tempo by -5% first (- is slower), regenerate then back up a few bars, hit play and listen. If it doesn't work then change the percentage to -10% and try again.

I should point out when you make a tempo change that is the new tempo until you use the F5 setting again to negate the new tempo. So if you change the tempo by -20% the tempo stays 20% slower until you use F5 and enter a 20.

The F5 window is below.

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agree that the most likely explanation of the extra beat is a pick up note

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Here is the song. I have run across it before but I cant find them offhand.
California Earthquake by the Seldom Scene. First verse is 4 lines. The 4th line has beats on rum, dis, way, and drea and then another beat before starting on the chorus for beat 1 on Sher. I happens at the end of the second verse with the 4th beat on gain and then the 5th beat before starting the next chorus with the 1st beat on came.

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Sounds to me like a 3/4 rather than 4/4 which might make a difference


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yes there's no strong beat - at least in the first part of the song - but it does sound like 3/4

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Hi Bill,

When I listen to the Youtube clip below,



this is how I hear it...

1. To my ears, the song is written with a slow 6/8 feel.

2. While this could also be interpreted as 12/8, the 6/8 lilt stands out for me.

3. An interesting phenomenon with both 6/8 and 12/8 times is that it's also possible to hear them as either 3/4 or 4/4 depending on how the ear hears the rhythm pattern of the strong and weak beats. What identifies the 6/8 is the Sww Mww pattern of beats. (S = strong, w = weak, M = medium)

4. From what you've written, you're hearing the song in 4/4. That is, your ear has focused on the strong and medium strength beats. When I do this, what you describe as an 'extra beat' before the chorus, is actually an extra two beats. (What feels like two beats is actually a single bar of 6/8.)

5. To set this up in BIAB, simply insert a bar before the chorus.... press F5 to enter bar settings.... and set the number of beats for the inserted bar to "2" -- see the image below.

6. After performing step 5, it's necessary to set the bar that follows the 2-beat bar to 4 beats. So, for example, if you've set bar 8 as the 2-beat bar, click on bar 9.... press F5 again to enter bar settings.... set bar 9 to 4 beats.

7. Now generate the song.

Hope this helps,
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Thanks Noel96 for your time. Your explanation is a bit above my musical knowledge, but I will listen to the video again and try your instructions in BIAB to see how it works out. I guess I have always looked at things in 4/4 time and in the vast majority of times it works out. Guess I am going to learn something new! Bill

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