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Charlie, I’m impressed. My first original jazz song was not until 1968. I did, however, have good recording equipment a bit earlier than you, soon including a Teak 10” that I still own.
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This is a really great point to discuss I think. When we post our content on the internet, we set ourselves up not only for praise, but also criticism. For many people who just begin sharing their work with the public they hope to hear praise and aren't aware of the darker, less-constructive side of some people opinions and how they carry themselves, and it can certainly leave people disheartened, discouraged, or sometimes make them want to give up. I think it's important to always important to come at things with a critical eye, but only speak on it if it's been asked for directly. I think it's okay to say you don't want the criticism, but I also think that if someone asks for constructive feed back it doesn't give others license to tear them and their work down.
I have never seen anybody tear another user down here on the PGMusic forums, and I think it's lovely that everyone is so supportive.
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Well, it has gotten to be a bit of a family, here.
As such, a thicker skin might be in order, but nothing
on the order of Facebook and Reddit.
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Thanks, Noel. That whole thread was a good read.
But, rather than bumping up another older thread, I want to ask (as someone who is still a "new guy" in this forum family) about something David Snyder said--or seemed to be saying, as I may well be misunderstanding.
He said: "It (the positives of the showcase) could NOT work if all you did was post and had little time to respond to those who commented on your songs. Then, the whole system breaks down.
I've noticed from the beginning that forum etiquette (here) included thanking people for their reviews/comments. I think I understand the impulse. People you "know" have taken the time to respond, and a "thanks" is warranted. I'm just a bit uncomfortable following it "too" often. IF making a comment in my own thread did not bump the post back to the top of the pack, I'd not only feel more comfortable, but I'd gladly do it.
(insert moments of reflection here)
I think, in typing, I've thought of a way to work around this. Funny how that happens.
But I'm still going to click 'submit' because I didn't do all this typing for nothing.
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Hi Tangmo, When I have a thread in Users Showcase, I like to thank people who listen to my work because they didn't have to and if they took the time to comment, the least I can do is to be respectful. Personally, I like that my song gets bumped back to the top for a short while. The forum moves quickly these days and getting bumped back up exposes the song for a bit longer and gives those who might have missed it first time around a chance to be critical of it. For me, I've learnt a lot from constructive criticism over the years. I've also gained a lot of songwriting confidence because people have said that they like what I've done. Both these aspects have been extremely valuable for me and have helped me grow as a songwriter. Eventually, a song moves on and progresses its way through the back end of the forum. For a short time, though, it gets to stand on stage in the spotlight  Regards, Noel
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A year ago there was a very contentious thread (a rarity here) regarding bumping your posts in the user showcase forum. Ironically, several of the more negative responses were from members who never or very rarely post there. However, they seemed to be incensed that a song that had left the first page would appear again at the top via a bump. It resulted in an experiment for which posts that were responded to would not move to the top but stay in their relative position. This meant that a song could drop permanently off the front page in a day. Civil comments about this resulted in the current protocol being restored. Another example of the responsive and positive PG Music customer service. A forum, IMO, should not be a rapid fire scenario like social media where posts are buried in a manner of minutes. It's been said (in that thread and this one) but I'm gonna get redundant. We and I hope many others will always take the time to respond with a thanks (and often more) to those who took their time to listen and comment. We do all this for nothing but fun and are humbled when members take their time to offer comments. These comments are very supportive to us whether a "rave review" or constructive civil criticism - I love alliterations. Simply stated were it not for BiaB AND this forum we would have stayed retired from creating music after leaving it a decade earlier. We deeply appreciate those members of the user forum who choose to participate in this exchange and contribute to the community. I've mentioned before but I've been the admin of a large board and served as a moderator on other boards and I have NEVER seen a community like this. The lack of mean spiritedness and outright trolls is amazing. We have made face to face friends here and as a couple of decades long bluegrass folks we are learning from them and other members how to write and produce different genres. That has brought us joy. So no apologies from us for bumping our and other members' posts. If for whatever reason this is found offensive the Eagles have a great song called "Get Over It" Bud PS Hey Charlie, thanks for the very kind words in your post above!
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Guys...I do understand. I'm not ragging on the way things are done here--not with what people do, and not with the way the forum software operates. I actually LIKE to revisit threads to see what others have said. This is the "discussion" that I can sometimes feel the "lack of" from having put music "out there". And as often as not, it will move me to give the song another listen. And I'm not talking about MY songs or threads, but YOURS.
I was asking because David seemed to imply that things "break down" if that doesn't happen...and I don't want things to "break down". But I do want to feel "comfortable" with every choice and not feel like others are thinking I'm "slacking" by not always doing it.
Maybe it will vary from piece to piece.
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Guys...I do understand. I'm not ragging on the way things are done here--not with what people do, and not with the way the forum software operates. I actually LIKE to revisit threads to see what others have said. This is the "discussion" that I can sometimes feel the "lack of" from having put music "out there". And as often as not, it will move me to give the song another listen. And I'm not talking about MY songs or threads, but YOURS.
I was asking because David seemed to imply that things "break down" if that doesn't happen...and I don't want things to "break down". But I do want to feel "comfortable" with every choice and not feel like others are thinking I'm "slacking" by not always doing it.
Maybe it will vary from piece to piece. Hey, please don't don't think my post above was directed to you...I was just reminded of the old thread that I mentioned. And like Chief Black Hawk said, "every man must find his own path." Bud
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Charlie, I’m impressed. My first original jazz song was not until 1968. I did, however, have good recording equipment a bit earlier than you, soon including a Teak 10” that I still own. Thanks Matt. That first song was a fluke but it was a real song and a real copywrite and puts me in what's becoming a rather small field of people. I received my first tape recorder for Christmas 1967 and upgraded the microphone sometime the following year. I've been buying and changing out gear ever since.
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No worries, Bud. I guess it was a can of worms that I shouldn't have opened. I love all you do. And all Noel does. Dave, on the other hand... 
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A year ago there was a very contentious thread (a rarity here) regarding bumping your posts in the user showcase forum. Ironically, several of the more negative responses were from members who never or very rarely post there. However, they seemed to be incensed that a song that had left the first page would appear again at the top via a bump. It resulted in an experiment for which posts that were responded to would not move to the top but stay in their relative position. This meant that a song could drop permanently off the front page in a day. Civil comments about this resulted in the current protocol being restored. Another example of the responsive and positive PG Music customer service. A forum, IMO, should not be a rapid fire scenario like social media where posts are buried in a manner of minutes. It's been said (in that thread and this one) but I'm gonna get redundant. We and I hope many others will always take the time to respond with a thanks (and often more) to those who took their time to listen and comment. We do all this for nothing but fun and are humbled when members take their time to offer comments. These comments are very supportive to us whether a "rave review" or constructive civil criticism - I love alliterations. Simply stated were it not for BiaB AND this forum we would have stayed retired from creating music after leaving it a decade earlier. We deeply appreciate those members of the user forum who choose to participate in this exchange and contribute to the community. I've mentioned before but I've been the admin of a large board and served as a moderator on other boards and I have NEVER seen a community like this. The lack of mean spiritedness and outright trolls is amazing. We have made face to face friends here and as a couple of decades long bluegrass folks we are learning from them and other members how to write and produce different genres. That has brought us joy. So no apologies from us for bumping our and other members' posts. If for whatever reason this is found offensive the Eagles have a great song called "Get Over It" Bud PS Hey Charlie, thanks for the very kind words in your post above! AND..... you forgot to mention that I wrote my now infamous song as a result of that conversation..... POST BUMPING BLUES That was a fun but at times heated discussion. Ahhh the good old days.
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hi belladonna this was a great read for me and the others who commented on this post lots to ponder on thanks really encouraging eric !! things can get nasty for sure
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