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Hallo zusammen wie kann man die Akkorddarstellung im BB von D#maj7 nach Ebmaj7 ändern. liebe Grüsse Renato 
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Hallo Renato,
die Einstelloptionen bzw. Regeln für die Akkordbezeichnung in Band in a Box sind etwas knifflig, wenn es um enharmonische Umdeutungen geht sowohl von Akkordbezeichungen, als auch von gesetzten Noten.
Band in a Box versucht, die Akkorde stets aus der für den Song eingestellten Skala heraus zu interpretieren. Unter Optionen – Voreinstellungen – Notation findest du eine Checkbox: "Akkordskala für Enharmonik verw." mit der du diese Verhalten ein- oder ausstellen kannst.
Auch einzelne gesetzte Noten werden (unter mir manchmal nicht ganz klaren Umständen) plötzlich enharmonisch umgedeutet, also z.B. aus einer gesetzten Note Eb ein D# gemacht. Das kannst du im editierbaren Notationsmodus (allerdings nur Note für Note) mit dem rechten Maustastenmenupunkt "Note editieren" ändern (Vorzeichen erzwingen - Auto, natürlich, b, #).
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Hallo Brille
danke für deine Bemühungen.
Ich habe das alles versucht, leider hat es nichts bewirkt.
Trotzdem wenn ich den Hacken bei der Option rausnehme, macht das Programm keine Enharmonische Umwandlung.
liebe Grüsse
Renato
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Hallo Renato,
ja stimmt, das Thema hattest du ja, glaube ich, auch schon mal angesprochen. Du hast auch recht: Der angesprochene Schalter in den Voreinstellungen beeinflusst nicht die Akkordsymbole, sondern nur die Notation, also ob einzelne Töne mit b oder # dargestellt werden.
Die Akkorddarstellung mit # oder b bezieht sich in Band in a Box auf die diatonischen Stufen der Grundtonart (und jetzt kommt das Merkwürdige:), die zum Zeitpunkt der Akkordeingabe angewählt ist. Auf diese Weie kannst du sogar erreichen, dass ein Ebmaj7 und ein D#maj7 gleichzeitig in einem Stück oder sogar in einem Takt angezeigt wird. Das ist natürlich leicht skurril, aber es geht, ich habe das gerade ausprobiert.
Beispiel:
- Wähle Grundtonart "C" Gib im ersten Takt Ebj ein, dann steht da auch Ebj7.
- stelle dann die Grundtonart des Stückes auf "E" (ohne zu transponieren)
- Gib dann im nächsten Takt D#j ein und voilá: es erscheint auch D#j7 neben dem Ebj7.
Du kannst dann wieder die Grundtonart zurückstellen, nichts ändert sich, auch nach Speichern und Neuladen nicht. Außer du gehst in die Takte und änderst die Akkorde wieder, dann wird je nach eingestellte Grundtonart die Akkordbezeichung geändert.
Ist irgendwie sonderbar, ich werde mal dei den Entwicklern nachfragen, ob es dafür gute Gründe gibt, oder ob sich das Verhalten nicht auch über einen Schalter regeln lassen kann.
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- Wähle Grundtonart "C" Gib im ersten Takt Ebj ein, dann steht da auch Ebj7.
- stelle dann die Grundtonart des Stückes auf "E" (ohne zu transponieren)
- Gib dann im nächsten Takt D#j ein und voilá: es erscheint auch D#j7 neben dem Ebj7.
Noch einfacher ist es etwa in der Grundtonart "C" schlicht ein Ebmaj7 UND ein D#maj7 einzutippen.
Martin
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Hallo, Martin,
Eben komischerweise (jedenfalls bei mir) nicht: Wenn ich Grundtonart C wähle, macht Band in a Box stets aus einem eingetippten D#j ein Ebj.
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Hallo Brille
Du hast volkommen recht, ich habe es auch ausprobiert.
Das Programm ist noch verbesserungswürdig, trotsdem es das beste auf dem Markt ist.
liebe Grüsse
Renato
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Hallo Martin,
ich versuche gerade, dem auf die Spur zu kommen:
An meinem Arbeitsrechner läuft die Version 2019/64 631, dort tritt der Effekt auf.
Ich sitze gerade an meinem zweiten Rechner, an dem die Version 2019/64 628 läuft. Dort tritt der Fehler, wie bei dir auch, nicht auf. Ich kanns noch nicht nachvollziehen.
Beide Installationen haben im Wesentlichen die gleichen Einstellungen. Ich bin ratlos und suche weiter nach der Ursache.
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Hallo Brille,
möglicherweise setzt Renato nicht die neueste offizielle in diesem Punkt fehlerfreie BiaB 2019(628) Version ein. Ältere Versionen können noch fehlerbehaftet sein.
Martin
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Ich habe gerade das Update auf BiaB 2019(631) installiert. Hier funktioniert eine Eingabe von EbMaj7 und D#Maj7 problemlos auch mit der 32 und 64 Bit Version BiaB 2019(631). Windows 10 Pro/1809 hier.
Ich kann das Problem auch in der Version BiaB 2019(631) nicht duplizieren.
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Hallo Martin
Du hast recht, mit der Version 628 funktionierts.
Schade ist nur, wenn ich im Transpositionsmodos bin,funktioniert es nicht.
liebe Grüsse
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Hallo Renato,
jetzt kann ich das Problem hier auch duplizieren -> im Transpositionsmodus geht es nicht. Eine enharmonisch unterschiedliche Darststellung ohne Transpositionsmodus wird bei einer Änderung der Tonart (mit Transponierung) ebenfalls nivelliert. Ohne Transpositionsmodus lassen sich nivellierte Darstellungen aber wieder beliebig editieren - mit Transpositionsmodus geht das nicht.
Da hilft wohl nur ein Ausdruck der Noten bzw. der Akkorde, die ohne Transpositionsmodus erstellt wurden.
Martin
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Hallo Martin.
wie schon im englischen Forum geschrieben, super Hinweis, danke, darauf wäre ich nicht gekommen und das Problem nervt mich schon ewig. Meine Noten sind oft +12 transponiert, Bass-Noten. Und genau das ist die Ursache!
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Es ist gut, dass Renato diesen Aspekt adressiert hat - und den Transpositionsmodus in diesen Zusammenhang gebracht hat.
Hoffentlich bringt PGMusic ein geeignetes Update heraus.
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Hallo Martin.
Ich schliesse mich Brille an.
Meine Noten sind oft für Bb oder Eb Instrumente im Reiter Optionen/Notation transponiert. Und genau das ist das Problem!
liebe Grüsse
Renato
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