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I think I can say this.
I just tested RB build 4 release 4 and all works as it should. Hopefully nothing new pops its head up. I downloaded the new build and I reopened the RB file I had been working with above after the update. All was good except for one 8 bar section I had changed the chords in and regenerated before the upload. The RealTracks in that section were not playing the correct chords when I first opened the file with the new build. I regenerated the section and the regeneration corrected the audio. I saved a copy before regenerating in case there is something that pops up I can send that file to PG Music staff. "Thank you Charlie for doing this. You added validity to my being. " Lol, you said in 5 steps what I was trying to say in 100 posts in the other thread.
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If musikluver had entered the notation in his xml file standard I believe it would have worked. This is correct if an XML file is capable to do repeats/codas, etc and BIAB reads the XML file correctly. Entering chords manually works as expected. As I mentioned in another post on my other thread in the RB forum, BiaB does not handle repeats in XML files properly, so I always have to duplicate my repeating sections in MuseScore before I export the song as an XML file. Otherwise, a song with two verses and a chorus that occurs after each verse will only have one verse and one chorus in BiaB. I manually entered chords and created a 32 bar BIAB template song and set it to repeat between 5-32 10 times to create a song structure to use. It has a 4 bar INTRO, VERSE1=8 bars, CHORUS=8 bars,VERSE2=12 and a 2 bar ending so when it plays, it exceeded the 255 bar limit of BIAB just as Silvertones indicated.
I saved the file and opened the SGU file in RealBand. I had used a midi style with RealDrums in my BIAB song, so I added three RealTracks to the RB song and saved the song in RB format, SEQ. The three RealTracks and RealDrum track generated all the measures without error and specifically, no erroneous chord at bar 240-241. The 255 bar limit was no issue whatsoever. What was the last chord in your test song prior to bar 241? If it was a C chord, you wouldn't have had an erroneous chord at bar 241. The fact that you didn't have an erroneous chord at bar 241 suggests to me that your most recent chord was a C chord. Alternatively, if it wasn't a C chord, did you listen carefully to the transition from bar 240 to bar 241 to make sure that there wasn't a chord change in bar 241? As I've indicated in another post, RB will not show a C chord in bar 241 even though it makes an audible change to a C chord in that bar. Regarding Muziluver's comments:
"I have to inform you that your suggestion won't work for this song due to the differences that exist in each verse and each chorus."
This is incorrect. I was able to edit the RB song without any issues. Which RB song are you referring to---yours or mine? My statement above was made in response to Silvertones suggestion for me to use repeats on my verses and choruses in BiaB so that the 255 bar limit won't be reached. But as I said above and in my subsequent statements, repeats won't work for this particular song because of the slight differences in the melody for each section and because of an additional measure in the first line of the first verse. IOW, each section is essentially unique, and Silvertones agreed that this would prevent me from being able to use repeats to avoid the 255 bar limit in BiaB.
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"Which RB song are you referring to---yours or mine? "
I'm referring to the file I created. Yours may not work since it was not created using repeats and we know it is subject to both the 255 limit and the erroneous chord issue. The file I created has neither. But more to the point of the differences between each verse and chorus of your songs, in the song I created with using repeats, I can also edit each and every section without any issues. Every verse and chorus can be edited to be completely unique and different from every other verse in my song regarding backing tracks.
How do you input the melody? is it midi or audio? That will be the important factor to how you change the melody.
"What was the last chord in your test song prior to bar 241?" "As I've indicated in another post, RB will not show a C chord in bar 241 even though it makes an audible change to a C chord in that bar."
-G- There was no erroneous chord change. Nothing happened out of the ordinary to bar 241.
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I've been accused of not being very verbose. Lol
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But more to the point of the differences between each verse and chorus of your songs, in the song I created with using repeats, I can also edit each and every section without any issues. Every verse and chorus can be edited to be completely unique and different from every other verse in my song regarding backing tracks. I assume you're referring to your repeating sections. Are you able to edit your backing tracks for those sections within BiaB? Or are you doing this in RB? How do you input the melody? is it midi or audio? That will be the important factor to how you change the melody. When BiaB imports my XML file that contains my melody, it always imports the melody as a midi track. RB does the same thing. In BiaB, it usually shows up as the fifth track and is labelled either as Piano 1 or Piano 2 (if there's already a piano track). In RB, it's visible as a blue track, and I think it has the same label as in RB. But because of the poor sound quality, I always create a WAV file of the melody from MuseScore and then import that as an audio track into BiaB. Any changes I make to the melody, I make in MuseScore because that's my primary reference for my song. Then I import a new audio file after I kill the current one. Another thing I will often do is play the melody in MuseScore at the same time that the arrangement is playing in BiaB with the audio and midi tracks of the melody muted. This enables me to experiment with various melody ideas quickly in MuseScore without importing a new audio file into BiaB until I've settled on the one I like the best. "What was the last chord in your test song prior to bar 241?" "As I've indicated in another post, RB will not show a C chord in bar 241 even though it makes an audible change to a C chord in that bar."
-G- There was no erroneous chord change. Nothing happened out of the ordinary to bar 241. You must be using the latest beta version of RB (Version 4 release 4), which is the same version that Silvertones is using.
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Reminder, you should probably try not to mention beta versions in the public forums.
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Sorry, but I didn't know that, Matt. Thanks for letting me know.
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Reminder, you should probably try not to mention beta versions in the public forums. I would never disclose a new version release however this has been a nightmare so I figured disclosing an upcoming fix to a broken feature was not an issue.
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Plus, it's been six months since the latest version was released, so I would think that RB users are anticipating that a new release will be happening soon anyway.
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In reference to Matt's comment I feel it's OK to say 'support is working on it and think they have a fix' .. but not OK to release actual Beta data. Seems nit-picky, but we agreed to that in order to become beta testers. At least I did. 'What happens in beta stays in beta' type of thing. I know Silvertones would never leak a new release or such, but we still need to watch our step in the public forums as far as what is discussed in beta vs support. I appreciate Silvertones' efforts behind the scenes very much and don't want to lose that.  One of the hardest things about beta testing is not telling everyone that is complaining about item A (like a 64 bit version of BB or a BB VST plugin for example) to just relax and wait a few weeks. <grin> As far as a release date for anything; they'll do it when they are ready. None of us can answer that. We're often surprised when they decide to release the next year's version; it's not like they ask us if it's ready or anything .. we just test and report back. They fix and release when they feel comfortable.
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In reference to Matt's comment
I feel it's OK to say 'support is working on it and think they have a fix' .. but not OK to release actual Beta data. Seems nit-picky, but we agreed to that in order to become beta testers. At least I did.
'What happens in beta stays in beta' type of thing. What do you mean by "not OK to release actual Beta data"? Are you referring to the Beta version description or to the potential fix of a particular bug in a specific Beta version?
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To disclose NEW features would be wrong. To be chastised for disclosing that an exting feature is broken but a fix is testing and works is also wrong and ties my hands to help.
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edited - It's not what was said, it was how it was said. 'They think they have a fix' is different than releasing version numbers and other such beta info. Like I said, it's nit-picky but is what we all agreed to; the line can be fine and easy to cross if we don't help keep each other accountable. /love ya man! //Look - ver 4 is now released 
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To disclose NEW features would be wrong. To be chastised for disclosing that an exting feature is broken but a fix is testing and works is also wrong and ties my hands to help except to answer " How do I ...
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And build 4 is out.Have fun!
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"Are you able to edit your backing tracks for those sections within BiaB?"
Yes you can but there's no need to. I think it's more efficient and easier to edit in RB once the BIAB song has been opened in RB.
"Or are you doing this in RB?"
I did all of my editing in RB.
"When BiaB imports my XML file that contains my melody, it always imports the melody as a midi track."
In RB, you would edit the chord chart and number of measures, any tempo or key change for any verse or chorus throughout the song for a particular section backing tracks to match your melody changes per section.
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"Are you able to edit your backing tracks for those sections within BiaB?"
Yes you can but there's no need to. I think it's more efficient and easier to edit in RB once the BIAB song has been opened in RB.
"Or are you doing this in RB?"
I did all of my editing in RB. That makes sense, and it's what I had thought, too. "When BiaB imports my XML file that contains my melody, it always imports the melody as a midi track."
In RB, you would edit the chord chart and number of measures, any tempo or key change for any verse or chorus throughout the song for a particular section backing tracks to match your melody changes per section. Right, I'm with you on this, too, and it would be easier to edit the melody in MuseScore and re-import it into RB instead of editing it directly in RB.
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To disclose NEW features would be wrong. To be chastised for disclosing that an exting feature is broken but a fix is testing and works is also wrong and ties my hands to help except to answer " How do I ... No one was chastised. You are correct about the difficulty beta testers face, to remain silent about an upcoming fix until PG Music decides the time is right to release it. Sometimes I want to join in a thread and say, that’s been fixed! But I don’t.
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Why are the planned updated releases so secretive? In many forums there is a place dedicated just to the available current works-in-progress (betas). For those who want to be on the cutting edge, they are welcome to download and report back. This is the way bugs get fixed and fixes get verified. I honestly don't understand why this would be a secretive process. 
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