|
Log in to post
|
Print Thread |
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 1,381
Expert
|
OP
Expert
Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 1,381 |
Though it's an instrumental, I hope it's not too "jammy". This started in BIAB playing again with modal progressions. There are two passes of three sections (roughly equal) in which I tried to follow the same progression in Major, Phrygian, and Mixolydian. Each ends resolved to tonic. Where it worked, I kept it. Where it didn't, I changed it. It ends on a Idim (Cdim) which, if you're keeping score, is a I (C) Locrian. This came out. BIAB is wonderful. EDIT: Of course everyone is free to comment in any way they see fit. If you want to convince me or others that it is not important to know any theory to write songs/music...you're preaching to the choir. If it sounds good, it IS good. But what if you want to write a piece using theory? That's what I attempted to do here. I'm no expert. Outside the key of C and without my charts, I'm completely lost. A year ago, I knew even less. But I'm learning, so I wanted to run an experiment. I didn't know how it would turn out. Now I do. I input the chords and BIAB delivered a piece that moved me emotionally. Who'da thunk it? BIAB made it "fun". BIAB made it possible, in my case. So please don't think I'm just showing off (except the results of the experiment). I just had a nutty idea to "hear" if what I'd been learning was "true". It is. If it doesn't move you, I understand. If it does, thank "theory". https://soundcloud.com/user-47797156/on-third-thought-1Style is _ADAMANT.STY (Adamant Gtr Solo Pop Rock Ballad) RealTracks in style: 1190:Bass, Electric, ModernRnBRock Ev 065 RealTracks in style: 3196:Guitar, Electric, Soloist PopBalladBrent Ev 065 RealTracks in style: 2643:Guitar, Electric, Rhythm ModernPopHardHighMurray Ev16 075 RealTracks in style: 2644:Guitar, Electric, Rhythm ModernPopHardMurray Ev16 075 RealTracks in song: 1949:Piano, Acoustic, Soloist PopRootsyJohn Ev16 100 RealTracks in song: 3267:Cello, Background CelticAirFlowingNatalie Ev 085 MIDI SuperTracks in song: 2058:Strings, Rhythm CelticAir Ev 085 RealDrums [in style:RockNorthern^4-a:Snare, Loose HiHat , b:Snare, Ride I rendered more than one take of both solo guitar and piano. It's possible I replaced one of the rhythm guitars with another one, but I don't have notes. Mixed in Reaper till my ears bled. Mastered with Ozone 8 Elements. The title comes from the mental state when one begins to think he or she might be wrong even while in the midst of making an argument. Humbling. Let the mood carry you more than anything. Enjoy, if possible.
Last edited by Tangmo; 09/20/19 10:58 PM.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 3,615
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 3,615 |
Very sweet production.
Really enjoyed the drums.
Nicely done Tangmo. Rob4580
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 1,682
Expert
|
|
Expert
Joined: May 2017
Posts: 1,682 |
Tangmo
There are two passes of three sections (roughly equal) in which I tried to follow the same progression in Major, Phrygian, and Mixolydian. Each ends resolved to tonic. Where it worked, I kept it. Where it didn't, I changed it. It ends on a Idim (Cdim) which, if you're keeping score
I enjoyed this , and I am intrigued to read the txt from the post, honest I'm baffled to what you are on about ?. to me if it sounds right , plays right, feels right. Well its right
Tangmo..Mixed in Reaper till my ears bled. Mastered with Ozone 8 Elements.
Now this I do Understand !!.
Take Care.
Thanks
win 10 64 bit 16gb,i7 chip, ssd 500gb, m-audio air, ,Roland BK-7M, 1000,shure sm7b,sonar,acid,mixcraft, variety of plugins.Sample tank 3,Kontakt. TC Helicon Voicelive 3 2 . https://beatmaster1.bandcamp.com/releases
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 6,809
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 6,809 |
Enjoyed! The lack of an intro was a bit jolting, and perhaps there was a bit too much going on at one time. But I enjoyed it anyway. 
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Apr 2018
Posts: 1,869
Expert
|
|
Expert
Joined: Apr 2018
Posts: 1,869 |
Tangmo,
I generally shy away from instrumentals . . . but this one shows the power of a great title. “On Third Thought” (awesome title) in itself reveals a sense of the story and helps pulls the listener into the mood of the instrumental, such that they can imagine the story those instruments are telling. And everything throughout is executed so well. Nicely, nicely done!
My best regards,
Deej
Last edited by Deej56; 09/20/19 07:08 PM.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 6,337
Veteran
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 6,337 |
That sounds pretty flash - it's begging for a melody & lyrics though.
I'm not fussed on the distorted rhythm guitar but otherwise your exercise produced some cool stuff.
Cheers
rayc
"What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 3,798
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 3,798 |
I really enjoyed the progression, it's very interesting and melodic without sounding arty. Mysterious and positive with some short moments of melancholy. The band supports the progression excellently, especially the piano and the solo guitarist.
Janne
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 6,939
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 6,939 |
Cool song!!!! "Theoretically" (just teasing). I know a little bit of music theory. It seems to me that theory tells you more where not to go than where to go, and the basic concepts make a lot of sense in terms of what the ear "wants to hear". Anyway, enough blathering....This is REALLY COOL!!! Take care. Greg
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 11,811
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 11,811 |
Tangmo,
This sounds good to me. A good listen throughout. Very good mix.
Knowing nothing about music, Phrygian, Mixolydian and Locrian always sound like mythical characters to me... So, I thought this fit that well - sounds like the score for a movie of the gods...
fj
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 19,008
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 19,008 |
Hi Tangmo,
This appealed to me and I enjoyed the journey you took me. The mix is great and the arrangement is inventive... nice. The collection of Realtracks that you've used work really well together. I love the title!
It's thumbs up from me! (I hope your ears are better. Mixing does indeed take its toll in many ways.)
All the best,
Noel
MY SONGS...Audiophile BIAB 2024
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 5,831
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 5,831 |
Tangmo,
Bloody ears.. or bleeding ears a perfect name for a punk band! (I am sure it was used more than once) Theory and I are very far apart, it is not a "divorce", but a long distance relationship, I can only speak on behalf of consciousness. "On Third Thought" sounded big and thoughtful. Kept me interested to the end. Very cool progression. Production and mix is very good and clear.
Since you are open to the comments, I thought that drums were a bit overwhelming for this composition. They kind of overpower all the rest of things, which I feel are more important than rhythm here.
Thank you for sharing!
Misha.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 1,193
Expert
|
|
Expert
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 1,193 |
Hello, 'tangmo'... Concerning your thoughts about exploring music theory, I'll repeat what the late, great Miles Davis has been credited with saying: "You gotta learn the rules, to break the rules". I get a sensuous thrill from listening to music that's got a lot of chordal movement in it. It makes music sound adventurous, heady, and colorful. I felt the same way about your instrumental composition, On Third Thought. You 'hope it's not to "jammy" ??? Well, good gawd a'mighty, there, Mr. Tangmo, whut'd'ja go an' say a thang like that fer ??? Far as I'm concerned, I'm a "Hot damn, Sam, let's get down 'n' jam !!!" kind of guy. I'm thinking that maybe you approached your rock ballad composition in an orchestral frame-of-mind, as Pete Townshend did with his opera, Tommy. Regardless, you sent me on an interesting, musically wayfaring voyage with On Third Thought. Thanks for the ride !!!  - bluage -
"Music is what feelings sound like."-- borrowed from a Cakewalk Music Creator forum member, "Mamabear".
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 5,550
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 5,550 |
Enjoyed that. Quite an interesting ride all the way through.
Very interesting work.
Peter
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 5,203
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 5,203 |
Hey Tang,
Not too jammy for me, probably because you chose a melodic soloist.
Progression is pretty cool, I liked the way it moved.
Good instrumental, I enjoyed it!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 1,677
Expert
|
|
Expert
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 1,677 |
Hi Tangmo,
it sound good and it IS good.
From the point of view of someone (like me) who does not actually know what he is doing when he's writing songs this work is something like a raised index finger: 'Boy, see how it would pay off if you had a close look at the theory of harmony!'
I have to admit that I didn't understand much of what you explained (shame on me!), but the result of your studies is just perplexingly awesome. Enjoyed every millisecond of it. Wow !
Really, really looking forward to your next 'attack' - keep 'em coming !!!!!
Take care,
Stefan
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 7,604
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 7,604 |
Guitar was excellent. Very cool listen. Well done.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 3,414
PG Music Staff
|
|
PG Music Staff
Joined: Feb 2017
Posts: 3,414 |
Nicely done It flows tremendously well and has some nice dark tones to, I found. I didn't think it came off sounding jam-like, personally. I found it to sound very cohesive and full. Thanks for sharing!
Cheers,
Deryk
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 14,245
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 14,245 |
Enjoyed the backstory even if it was several fathoms above our heads Like Dave mentioned the soloist is melodic enough not to take off into deep jam territory...nice choice. We like the mystique of the whole production...is it up or is it down or is it both...it evokes lots of feelings. Nice BiaB band showoff in the showcase! Mix sounds excellent on the monitors. J&B
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 2,145
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 2,145 |
After reading your intro, I was apprehensive about listening. But it was engaging and I enjoyed it. Great job, do some more after you've had a break!
Windows 10, Intel Core I5 10400, 16 gig ram, Scarlett 6i6, Komplete keyboard, Sony Acid Music Studio 11, BIAB 2020 UltraPlus Pak
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Showcase
|
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 18,583
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 18,583 |
Smooth and captivating. Really liked some to the key changes. Unique and innovative.
BIAB & RB2024 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.
ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Video: Band-in-a-Box® + ChatGPT = Impressed the BOSS!
Band-in-a-Box User Video Tutorials!
If you've reviewed our Support page, you've probably noticed the Videos page, which separates our Band-in-a-Box® tutorial videos by category: Overview, VST DAW Plugin, Setup, Beginner, Intermediate, Advanced, and there's even an Archive category to go down memory lane... (You'll also find these videos on our YouTube Channel.)
It's always great to hear how other Band-in-a-Box® users create their songs, especially when they explain in detail what they're doing. Like Henry Clarke's YouTube Channel, Henry Clarke - Senior Musicians Unite! There you'll find his ALL Band-in-a-Box Tutorials playlist with over 50 videos! His top-three most watched videos include "How to Get Started with Band-in-a-Box," "How I use the Audio Chord Wizard in Band-in-a-Box," and "How to Create An Effective Solo Using Band-in-a-Box" - however he touches on many other topics and also demonstrates his own Band-in-a-Box® songs in the Band-in-a-Box Created Songs playlist!
You're guaranteed to find some helpful videos when you visit Henry Clarke's channel!
Band-in-a-Box® 2024 Italian for Windows is Here!
Ci siamo dati da fare e abbiamo aggiunto oltre 50 nuove funzionalità e una straordinaria raccolta di nuovi contenuti, tra cui 222 RealTracks, nuovi RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, "Songs with Vocals" Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 3, Playable RealDrums Set 2, due nuovi set di "RealDrums Stems", XPro Styles PAK 6, Xtra Styles PAK 17 e altro ancora!
Tutti Pacchetti | Nuove Caratteristiche
Band-in-a-Box® 2024 French for Windows is Here!
Band-in-a-Box® 2024 apporte plus de 50 fonctions nouvelles ainsi qu'une importante de contenus nouveaux à savoir : 222 RealTracks, des RealStyles nouveaux, des SuperTracks MIDI, des Etudes d'Instruments, des Prestations d'Artistes, des "Morceaux avec Choeurs", un Set 3 de Tracks Jouables, un Set 2 de RealDrums Jouables, deux nouveaux Sets de "RealDrums Stems", des Styles XPro PAK 6, des Xtra Styles PAK 17 et bien plus encore!
Tous Packages | Nouvelles Fonctionnalités
Video: Making a Song with Band-in-a-Box®, ChatGPT, and Synth V
Take your Band-in-a-Box® project to a whole new level when you incorporate ChatGPT and Synth V to add lyrics and vocals to your song!
We wanted to demonstrate how this is done with our video, where we show you how to go from nothing to a finished "radio ready" modern pop song by combining the features of Band-in-a-Box®, ChatGPT, and Synth V!
Listen to the finished song, so you get a listen to the finished product: https://demos.pgmusic.com/misc/behindthefame.m4a
If you like it, watch the video. Either way, let's hear your comments!
Henry Clarke: Revolutionize Your Band-in-Box® Tracks with Regenerating Function
User Video: Convert MIDI Chords into AI Vocal Harmonies with ACE Studio and Band-in-a-Box®
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forums65
Topics81,998
Posts740,215
Members38,656
| |
Most Online2,537
Jan 19th, 2020
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dansk
Deutsch - Windows
Español
Français - Windows
Italiano - Windows
Nederlands
Polski
Português
Svenskt
русский
Japanese
Simplified Chinese
Traditional Chinese
Korean