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I think Notes and JazzMammal's advice on panning is a great idea.
No matter how good you get your studio mix, every room you play is different.
Their approach offers an quick and easy way to eq the mix in real time.
I wish I had done this with my tracks.
One day when I remix them (yet again) I will definitely incorporate this wisdom.
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I pan all of my tracks, bass hard left/drums center/guitar hard right. When I add strings, organ or solo instruments they are also center. I do it this way because when I use the Passport I have the stereo option. It doesen’t seem to matter when using mono sound reinforcement.
I will also add that I use the application “Boom 2” on iPad, computer and iPhone. It is an EQ program/app that allows you to store a custom EQ for each PA system or amp that you use.
I have 3 different amps or PA systems available to use on gigs and each has it’s set EQ in the Boom program.
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Normalizing won't make everything the same volume.
Normalizing is maximizing, but it only maximizes the highest peak.
If a song as a constant volume with no large peaks it will sound louder than a song that has a few large peaks of volume somewhere.
I don't know if there is an easier way to do it, but here is how I adjust volumes.
I turn the volume low, and compare the new song I'm working on with similar songs I'm already gigging with. I tweak the volume of the new song until it sounds close to my ears. Then I turn the volume up and see if it still sounds even.
Then on the gig I re-evaluate and tweak as needed.
I find the differences in volume are easier to detect when the music is played softly. YMMV.
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Normalizing won't make everything the same volume.
Normalizing is maximizing, but it only maximizes the highest peak.
If a song as a constant volume with no large peaks it will sound louder than a song that has a few large peaks of volume somewhere.
I don't know if there is an easier way to do it, but here is how I adjust volumes.
I turn the volume low, and compare the new song I'm working on with similar songs I'm already gigging with. I tweak the volume of the new song until it sounds close to my ears. Then I turn the volume up and see if it still sounds even.
Then on the gig I re-evaluate and tweak as needed.
I find the differences in volume are easier to detect when the music is played softly. YMMV.
Insights and incites by Notes For consistent volume across all my tracks I use a limiter and LUFS meter inside my DAW (logic) to set a limit (13-14 Lufs)on my output mix . Then I analyze and tweak using MP3gain. I re-mix if clipping is present. User Teunis on this forum helped me along with this approach. Credit goes to him. Poor implementation of sound advice is on me. I am very much a novice at mixing but with this approach I have created tracks with consistent volumes and no clipping. I think my overall sound is improved as a result.
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Thanks guys. That explains why I wasn't getting the desired result just by normalising. Ignorance is not bliss! I can see me downloading all my set list again from BIAB with all the new settings and arrangements that need to be done (sigh).
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I use the approach as MrGeeze said. I then put the MP3 through MP3Gain which ensures the MP3s are the same level. (I truth limiting to a LUFS meter is close enough, I rarely have to adjust in MP3Gain if I set the LUFS Meter correctly between -14 to -15 LUFS)
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MP3Gain sounds interesting. I've heard of it before, but never tried it. I went to http://mp3gain.sourceforge.net/download.phpLooks like v1.2.5 is the latest stable version. Couple of questions: 1) is there an undo or should I copy the files first? 2) if I add a few files later, and want them to be about the same as the existing ones, how do I do that? Thanks, Notes
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There is no undo that I have seen but I’ve never had an issue. Having said that I’ve always got ways to get the file back easily. I’ve been using MP3Gain for years (when I first got an MP3 Walkman I found I was constantly going for the volume but not after using MP3Gain).
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Thanks. I've got 10,000 songs on my digital walkman and I am always thankful I have a volume control rocker switch on my steering wheel.
Notes
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Actually it seems there is an undo see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP3GainTony
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Bob "Notes" Norton Norton Music
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100% MIDI Super-Styles recorded by live, pro, studio musicians for a live groove
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