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Also in my opinion it would be interesting to see the following:
1. As mentioned by a few, Less new BiaB features, instead fixing some of the long term issues. Get this
64 bit thing rock solid! Take a deep breath and let things catch up. This year was a biggie.
2. Give Realband the long sought upgrades.
a. 64 bit audio engine with real smooth time line movement.
b. cleaned up and upgraded mixer view with enhanced insert and send capability. Get rid of the built
in fx send busses and allow us to add them when needed with the ability to adjust from the effects
c. enhanced automation similar to some of the big names out there. (more than just panning and
volume)
d. break the 48 track limit, and start with zero tracks allowing the user to add what is needed.
3. Really nail down the BiaB VSTi and make it work like it was envisioned with a smooth speedy workflow.
Add the features that it needs to be polished and complete (that doesn't mean make it full BiaB but
that it properly accepts a .SGU or .MGU with shots holds and all the little things a file has)
4. And of course more real tracks and drums. Those are always cool to get.
I would buy that upgrade.
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I'm currentlky working on a song that has slightly odd chords, like Fmaj7b5 - F#11sus4, BIAB modifies at least one of these chords which renders solos etc almost useless when merged with the original chords in a DAW. I won't upgrade until that issue is fixed.
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This annual thread generally is spiked with an "Airing of Grievances". So why not one more.  The BIAB VST! Please don't tell me that BIAB 2020 will provide new features and functions to the VST. I paid for this last year, not fully knowing what would be in it and then being disappointed in the lack of full compatibility between BIAB and the VST. Turned into one of the prior 50 new features I don't use.  But I so wanted to and still do.  I am afraid if one of the 50 new features within BIAB 2020 is the release of BIAB-VST Pro with new features and functions, I will lose it... 
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Jim, "I'm not buying until the program is 64 bit"... I do not believe this was an upgrade. It is more like patient had awoken from coma update. Sure, a HUGE and happy event, but in my opinion it should have been done some time ago as a part of standard maintenance. I am very relieved this was done. Remember the depression when Cakewalk announced it was closing doors? I really did not want similar to happen with BIAB. Now, I can rest assured that BIAB will work for years to come, even if MacSoft decides to pull a plug on 32bit applications with one of their Win. updates. Some time ago, I floated an idea on how I would prefer to see the future of BIAB. I suggested that BIAB and Realband should be merged into a single program, since many features are very similar. I tried RealBand on a few occasions, but I found it ridiculously clunky and counter intuitive. (I must admit, this idea was met with sword and shield  ) However, I still believe this is a way to go. Imagine if both programs are modular and you can design your work space yourself, any way you like, loading just the modules/panels you need for your workflow. And have all the features of both programs under one roof. Ohh yes, there would be a single program to maintain, not two P.S. To overcome a habit of workflow for some users a "classic" view of both programs (similar to "lenses" in Cakewalk) can be available, which would be compiled of the modules that would have near identical "look" of classic versions of the programs.
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Funny thing is when I started this thread I thought the responses would be humorous thoughts about the date 2020 Band-in-a-Box for Windows will be released and what features might be introduced.
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Jim,
ok, will this work: 2020 update: "RealBandInABox" aka RBIAB ?
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please don't mix BIAB and RB - they meet different needs. mind you its October and we've just had patches for BIAB and RB - maybe the best thing for 2020 is a no bug release..............
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I would expect some new RealTracks and styles as always. I assume that alone would entice many users to upgrade. More MIDI Supertracks are overdue as well.
As far as new features, though, now that it’s 64-bit I would prefer to see long-standing issues improved, rather than adding new functionality.
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This annual thread generally is spiked with an "Airing of Grievances". So why not one more. The BIAB VST! Please don't tell me that BIAB 2020 will provide new features and functions to the VST. I paid for this last year, not fully knowing what would be in it and then being disappointed in the lack of full compatibility between BIAB and the VST. Turned into one of the prior 50 new features I don't use. But I so wanted to and still do. I am afraid if one of the 50 new features within BIAB 2020 is the release of BIAB-VST Pro with new features and functions, I will lose it... I'll lose it with you! 
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As far as new features, though, now that it’s 64-bit I would prefer to see long-standing issues improved, rather than adding new functionality. I'd agree with this.
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Prediction: RealBiab is DOA. Fugggetabboutit.
Otherwise, samosamo every year. Fix all the old stuff before doing something completely new unless that completely new is a whole new program that includes fixing all the old stuff.
Another prediction: That ain't happening either but we'll all be happy with whatever they come up with. Well, almost all...
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In my 7 years here I have come to understand that, at least for me, the 50 new features are more of a marketing ploy and not of much value. The VST is still a work in progress that I simply avoid. VideoTracks were a momentary curiosity. Renaming of tracks was something I had longed for but was only partially implemented so I just reverted back to the standard names. The GUI was a nice attempt but again I found it to be not enough and simply went back to the old interface.
On the other hand, there is one thing that makes me reach for my credit card every single year without hesitation. One thing that truly makes a difference in my songwriting and production. One thing I actually sit down with and explore excitedly. And you all know what that thing is, right?
RealTracks!
Rather than think of the things that will make me upgrade I choose to think of what would make me choose to NOT upgrade. And that is fairly simple.
New features be damned. If they did not offer any new RealTracks I would definitely not upgrade. But if this year is like the other 7 they will and I will.
So there! Even with all my complaining about features that don't work I remain a loyal customer to gain access to those sweet, sweet RealTracks. (I don't plan to stop complaining though!)
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"Prediction: RealBiab is DOA. Fugggetabboutit." Ha ha, DeNiro would not have said it better Bob, I think similar was predicted about 32bit and VST... But we got it. AND you said it yourself: "unless that completely new is a whole new program that includes fixing all the old stuff." I personally would prefer one solid program instead of two... The one that does the job of both without hiccups. It has to be modular Ohh yes, it should be simpler to keep bugs in check in a single program than in two. P.S. I am not a specialist, but I do not believe software has to be fully re-written to be properly merged into one. Most likely, just a couple of talented IT surgeons with dozen of testers/helpers can do it within a month or two. Hey, this is "game" thread right? This is my fantasy software scenario
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I strongly hope that the two never merge. Why you ask. Well that already happened. A few years ago we had power tracks and BiaB they merged the basics of BiaB with PT and we got RB. One is a DAW the other auto accompaniment the compliment perfectly. You can open BiaB tracks in RB. And continue. And now you can open the VSTi in the DAW of choice. The VSTi is not that far off now with a couple really important features it will be very useful.
Merging BiaB with RB to me would be a freakin disaster that would spoil the two programs for ever. Even far less complicated DAWs like cakewalk, reaper, Cubase, studio one have fought bugs through out there life spans, just imagine the pain of a DAW with all of the gazzillions of features that BiaB has. I shiver to think of the countless bugs. BiaB has long standing bugs as it is. Add to that everything thing that say reaper does with automation, unlimited tracks, routing, etc. No thanks
I think PG is on the right track. Let BiaB be what it is, continue the development of the plugin, and beef up RB. What a tool box!
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With BiaB and RB patches still coming out in October does anyone think that there may not be a 2020 version? If not will there be time for 50 new features? Maybe only 25?
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...people were skeptical about elevators at one point too. RobH, Things change... I am talking about ideal world. If you read carefully where I fantasized about a single program, I said, I would prefer both programs to be modular, so the user can design interface as they see fit for their needs. You would have your "lenses" as available in what you mentioned as: "far less complicated DAWs like cakewalk" Where you can have your RealBand just the way that is dear to you and by switching to another "lens" you will have your BIAB interface, I will have my hybrid lens, John will have his own set of lenses, Mary will have her own design, etc. But all would be working with single project in one program. In any case, this is my fantasy, your vision is different. That's all P.S. Mario, this is great: "Folgers got it wrong. The best part of waking up is going back to bed after you pee!"
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I think an all in one with complete customization would be the next route.We have 4 separate pieces now.
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Hey, this is "game" thread right? This is my fantasy software scenario Absolutely! We're just having some fun here. It's like my Awesome Cool Dude super Biab fantasy I talked about in another thread. And you're right I did not see 64 bit and the VST coming. I still think they should have fixed the old stuff before doing that. But, Pipeline says they had no choice about 64 bit because of Apple dumping 32 bit. It seems both Mac and Windows versions of Biab are closely linked meaning they had to do Mac anyway and that gave 64 bit Windows too. I think we can all agree the VST was premature. It should have been a 2020 release not 2019. Bob
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I don't think the plug-in arrived a year too soon. It's pretty clear that PG Music's vision of the app evolved over the past year as they received user feedback. One example is the plug-in switching from using the daw sound engine instead of the band-in-a-box sound engine. Priorities and the list of features to be implemented are changing based on user feedback. These changes couldn't happen until the product was released and user feedback received, acknowledged and acted on.
I've truly been surprised at how smooth and easy the 64 bit release worked out. The one issue I remember is the lack of PG Music DXI effects and that was quickly addressed. Funny but that was similar to the error of omission BandLab made when Cakewalk by BandLab was released; they forgot to convert the 32 bit suite of Sonitus effects.
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I hear you Rustyspoon# it is fun to think about what's possible. To my thinking modular while it's interesting to imagine, I can't see it as practical. The concept of "lens" as in cakewalk sounds good on paper, but all lens or views does it place the features you like to use up front, it doesn't eliminate functions. In cakewalk by bandlab you can set it up to show the tracks view, mixer view, and the browser view in different configurations allowing the ones you like to open up to on start up. Still all three are there and all three as well as all of the other features are still there, just hidden from view.
I understand your vision though. I don't think blending those together is the answer. What I would love to see is RB really worked over to be a bit more of a stand alone program bring it's feature and GUI up to that standards of a cakewalk/studio one/reaper/Cubase level, as well as the CPU load. Seems RB is still a bit heavy. Who knows maybe the Powertracks base tied into the BiaB folders is as good as it can get without a complete rewrite. You may be right add full DAW capability to BiaB, but somehow I think that may have a bloating effect on the BiaB code.
Maybe fixing the sync issues, and making all the .sgu/mgu files with shots/holds/etc. function inside the plugin will give us all we need inside a DAW. Hey we still want more realtracks right?
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Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Windows!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: VST3 Plugin Support
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® now includes support for VST3 plugins, alongside VST and AU. Use them with MIDI or audio tracks for even more creative possibilities in your music production.
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Macs®: VST3 Plugin Support
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: Using VST3 Plugins
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