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....With any small change I sit and wait and wwwaaaaiiiittt... (I may have mentioned this before in this forum or another  ) You are waiting for it to generate up all bars of all tracks because you changed one chord. The way I see it is Biab saves the generated track data in the SGU if the track is frozen, this data would contain the information for the bar/time location used from the ReaTrack source file along with transposed semitone amount, when the SGU is opened Biab will generate up from the data into RAM the identical track to what was frozen, so if I changed just one chord or just want to regenerate without a chord change and highlight that section it should just generate up the data for that section of bar/s of all tracks or selected track, that data will then overwrite the existing data of those bar/s, then the whole track will be regenerated into RAM keeping all the existing playing except for the new bar/s. Does that make any sense ? This way you could also change the chord of one instrument by just regenerating the section of one track only.
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....With any small change I sit and wait and wwwaaaaiiiittt... (I may have mentioned this before in this forum or another ) You are waiting for it to generate up all bars of all tracks because you changed one chord. The way I see it is Biab saves the generated track data in the SGU if the track is frozen, this data would contain the information for the bar/time location used from the ReaTrack source file along with transposed semitone amount, when the SGU is opened Biab will generate up from the data into RAM the identical track to what was frozen, so if I changed just one chord or just want to regenerate without a chord change and highlight that section it should just generate up the data for that section of bar/s of all tracks or selected track, that data will then overwrite the existing data of those bar/s, then the whole track will be regenerated into RAM keeping all the existing playing except for the new bar/s. Does that make any sense ? This way you could also change the chord of one instrument by just regenerating the section of one track only. Of course this would be a great improvement! It should work like this even if I added bars to the song!
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Somehow I have to think this could be done faster by loading the RealTracks of the song into RAM, and storing only pointers in the file.
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Matt, yes, I was bragging about this (loading all active content in memory) last year on several occasions  I was thinking, How is the mechanism of previewing first 4 bars on style picker works? Why is it so fast? Can it be any random "4 or more bars"? Can the same technique be used to generate selected bar group, without regenerating whole song in the program itself? Honestly, I think audio file handling architecture has to be re-thinked as a whole, giving high ceiling headroom for future development, not just squeezing "features" into it. What bothers me the most, is that BIAB has fantastic library of Real styles and drums. It has the logical concept, which is also very strong, but implementation of some key features, GUI and general workflow is very cumbersome compared to most modern day music software titles. To me, re-generation time is also a big contributor to the negative factors of workflow. So why does it bother me so much? I just do not want to be in the same scenario as some of us were faced with Cakewalk not long ago. We, people who got attached to it on personal level, got lucky that Cake was preserved and greatly improved over the past year+ (Thank you Meng & Noel!), but it could have taken completely different and dark salvage path. I just do not want to be faced with similar scenario with BIAB, at least not anytime soon. PG crew, please put some love into the program, not just some random screws to hold it in place. It deserves better! Thank you.
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It sure seems like an easy programming task to simply regenerate only a few selected bars and then replace what was selected with that new generated bit. Keep everything that was not selected and only replace the bit I selected. Then I can listen and if I don't like it select the bars again and try again. So simple!
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I just made a usertrack for the usertracks forum and when I was trying it there was a couple of bars with glitches but I couldn't regenerate just those bars I had to regenerate the whole track.
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I just made a usertrack for the usertracks forum and when I was trying it there was a couple of bars with glitches but I couldn't regenerate just those bars I had to regenerate the whole track. And therein sits the underlying problem...
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This is how I see it. Tracks are gathered by going to labyrinth of folders and files for every generation... and Tracks are obese (large) If the all active (mixer) tracks are loaded into memory or at least copied into single folder, probably should make things faster. Also, for the chording and previews I do not mind split Mono tracks, which again I believe should make things faster because size of the files are reduced to about 1/2. We can try to guess these things until we turn blue Still it has to be the oracle who can give a green light to explore the possibilities. Meanwhile, I want to wish Happy New Year to all people who are frequent at this section of the forum and who refuse to give up, bringing excellent ideas, even when it seems a one way communication.
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I find regeneration to be acceptable on my ( recently switched to ) modern Macs - ie i5 i7 with SSD and decent RAM.
BUT.......... when it comes to using that BIAB plugin - which is designed to work with the BB4 background app ( as a server ) then regeneration times are infuriatingly long.
The reason for this is well known and not a bug but instead due to the fact that with the plugin - the entire regenerated audio data is written to disk - same as when one does an audio export in BIAB.
Its this huge waiting time that is the issue. The answer is to make the BB4 app regenerate to RAM ( like BIAB standalone) and instead of having the BIAB plugin then stream audio from the audio file data on disk, stream audio directly from the background BBM4 app to the plugin - in client-server fashion.
The decvelopers ( developer actually far as I know ) are well aware of this - and something tells me we will have to wait until at least the 2020 version of BIAB is out - maybe longer before this sensible change is adopted. So in essence - anyone who paid up for the 2019 Mac release because they were excited and wanted this new BIAB functionality - just has to lump it and wait until this new "feature" finally becomes usable. And not via a free update but instead as part of the next "funding round" .....payable by us every year - in the hope that promised features actually become usable.
Until then I consider the BIAB plugin basically useless. Workflow matters. The waiting tomes to regeneration in BIAB standalone are personally fine for me on modern Macs.
The waiting time to make changes to arrangements and regeneration via the BIAB DAW plugin is NOT.
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