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In 3 days on Jan 01, 2020 recreational pot becomes legal in the great democratic state of Illinois and we put the war on drugs to it final rest. Don't be surprised if I come back to the forum with a whole new attitude adjustment. 
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Hi
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Well if it were to ever happen in the UK, the government would put a duty on it .
The same as they do on Alcohol and Tobacco while preaching how bad it is for your health.
They still take their screw.
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So Dan, you’ll soon be saying high from Illinois?
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Time to fire up the lava lamp? Amazon has two day shipping.  GEAUX LSU TIGERS!
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So Dan, you’ll soon be saying high from Illinois? I am a child from the 60's and 70's so I am no newbee to weed. However, I have to admit I put that behind me back in my college days when I recall finding I was smoking more and more and enjoying it less and less. So over the past decades I have only dabbled a couple times. In recent years on trips to Colorado I did tend to feel the pot was not the same as when I was younger. It was far more potent so can't say I was enjoying that. The local government is expecting a windfall of tax revenue. Honestly, I would have preferred it stay in the shadows. I always taught my sons to be cautious/leary of it. But I do hate what it has done to the legal system with all the arrests. No one should have ever gone to prison for pot! The war on drugs was a mess. So maybe this will be better. Time will tell.
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It's a shame so many people were jailed for non violent crime like pot. Should save the state lots of money if they reduce or let them out. So that's a good thing too. It's kind of weird thinking about all those high people on the roads - bad enough all the distracted cell phone drivers.
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Hey Dan, I've been an Illinois lifer myself, currently living on the Illinois side of St. Louis. Around here they've already opened a ton of pot shops in anticipation of this January 1st event. I believe a lot of Missourians will be coming over from St. Louis to take advantage.
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Drugs are not necessarily a good thing.
I have a family member who used all kinds of drugs his whole life. Last Thanksgiving he went missing. His body was found this Thanksgiving.
We are still waiting for the Medical Examiner's ruling.
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Drugs are not necessarily a good thing.
I have a family member who used all kinds of drugs his whole life. Last Thanksgiving he went missing. His body was found this Thanksgiving.
We are still waiting for the Medical Examiner's ruling.
...Deb I don't totally disagree but for some perspective I have a close family member who died at 55 from chronic alcoholism.
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In todays news here in Arkansas we raked in $28 million in sales for 2019. Arkansas Pot sales
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It's been legal here in Colorado for a long time. The supposed tax revenue benefits are nearly non-existent. Your state governments will find a way to waste the money. And I have to smell skunks on the road and in stores and all over. Should be a crime just for the stank. It's seriously an invasion of privacy. I live in a decent neighborhood and sometimes I can't have my windows open at night, because of the stink. Many of us in CO don't have air conditioning because at our elevation, there's a near guaranteed 20 degree F drop from daytime highs to night time lows.
Alcohol - as long as you are breathing on your porch, I can't smell it.
Pot - if you are 3 houses down, it wafts in my windows at night and I'm sorry, but that's an invasion of privacy. Olfactory pollution.
And if I can smell it while I'm doing 75 mph on I-25, which is on perhaps 50% of the trips I make on that highway, people are driving while intoxicated.
There have been several instances where I also have had to leave an aisle in a store because some pot-head smokes so much that they can't even escape their own stink and it just oozes out of them.
This is the biggest issue that I have noticed personally. Frankly, and literally, it stinks and I think it's just as much an invasion of privacy as noise pollution.
The second largest issue I noticed as things went from completely illegal to 'medical marijuana' to fully legal marijuana, is that the time of 'medical marijuana' was the biggest joke and cause of eyesores.
Everyone and their two brothers must have suffered from glaucoma at that time, and one of those brothers opened their head-shops with nothing but a sheet of 4'x8' OSB plywood and a can of green spray paint to make a crappy looking green cross, and the other brother figured out how to print prescription pads. If your state is getting to the medical marijuana consideration, you'll see exactly what I mean.
Since it became fully legal, it seems to me that the eyesore plywood sign stores have nearly disappeared.
Vape shops have taken the place of the shabby head shops.
Take note that I have not discussed one single aspect of whether it's a gateway drug, blah blah blah. But be ready for your state to smell and look like crap.
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One other comment - I'm really glad that this post was not about the end of the band called The War On Drugs - one of my faves.
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Finally, we have a much larger war on drugs that is far more sinister and difficult to fight, that of the bankrolled pushers of opioids by Big Pharma.
As long as people feel a need to self medicate and there is an addictive chemical to temporarily relieve their physical or emotional pain, there is going to be a drug market and illicit activity associated with it. So that war, I'm afraid, will never end.
The problem we face today is that right now (writing this approx 10 PM in CO), some slick lobbyists from all of the Big Pharma companies are sleeping in swanky hotel rooms in Washington D.C., ready to line a senator's or representative's campaign coffers with the money sourced by addicted opioid users when they wake up in the morning.
Look up your favorite politician's campaign sources and you are gonna see big Pharma as contributors to their campaigns.
How do you fight that war?
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I can't stand the stuff either. If I can smell it then it's going up my nose and getting into my blood stream and effecting me. For some people it makes them happy and they laugh and giggle. Others, like myself, it has the opposite effect. It actually make me angry and tense. Also, think about how you would feel if someone dropped a drug pill in your drink against your will. You finish your drink and now you are drugged. That's how I feel when I inhale someone's pot smoke. Too late, now I am drugged against my will and feeling edgy. But, I already know to not expect a stoner to give any concern about how that effects me. Why would I expect a pothead to care. I say that from experience because I have confronted several when it happens to me. None every apologize. They say things like," I find that hard to believe", or, "really", or, "so you're getting high for free", or, well you don't have to smoke it if you don't want to", and other stupid stuff. Here in California the freeway billboards are plastered with marijuana shop ads, casino gambling ads, bail bond ads, and lawyer ads. We have seen a big increase in pot use including illegal trade and sales to minors. I mean 3rd graders. After all, how can you be a cool 3rd grader if you don't smoke pot while playing video games. There is an entire portion of Desert Hot Springs dedicated to marijuana cultivation. Giant warehouse buildings going up being designed and advertised as marijuana growing facilities. The homeless and crime in the area is growing rapidly, the housing is turning to ghettos, people are moving to other towns or to the other side of DHS to get away. The smell of the pollen is all over the of area. It's very strong and pungent with a hint of sweetness and a hint of skunk at the same time. Residents and traffic are subject to inhaling it unless they don't want to breath. Desert Ice Castle/Ice Capades ice skating rink in Cathedral City is directly across the street from a big pot growing facility. Which is basically next door to the Social Services Department. The rink attracts mostly teenagers on down to kindergarten age and families. I have seen people covering their faces with their shirts and shirt sleeves as they hurry along commenting about the stink when going from the parking lot to get inside the skate rink as fast as possible. It's really disgusting.
I have a young person very close to me who started out smoking pot as a young teenager and is now a hard core drug addict, heroin mostly, but whatever can be had the easiest and fastest every day seems to be the primary goal. Can't keep (or get) a job. Amazingly employers don't like to hire people who smell like pot on job interviews. So, stealing, shop lifting, identity theft and bad check writing, multiple arrest and fed kicks are getting by as she sneaks into friends houses to sleep at night after sleeping most of the day outside somewhere. Friends who, by the way, are in their mid to late 20s, live with their parents, don't have jobs, have marijuana prescriptions and are great at playing video games.
Irony; California leads the trend at making cigarette smoking illegal in public places due to public health issues yet condones recreational marijuana. More irony, Colorado recalls cantelope melons when discovered they might have bacteria on them that could cause illness, hospitalization and/or death. Why doesn't Colorado recall tobacco products. Cigarettes have been discovered to cause illness, hospitalization, emphysema, cancer, heart disease, death, etc,... Why not do a recall on all cigarettes?
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BTW, I smoked pot and cigarettes from age 12 to 24. Now approaching 55.
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Ha! You guys forgot to add "YOU KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN!"
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Pot - if you are 3 houses down, it wafts in my windows at night and I'm sorry, but that's an invasion of privacy. Olfactory pollution.
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Scott, it can be worse than that. Myself, my wife and son all have asthma. All five of us have allergies. Smoke of any kind can cause an attack. We have had to have a number of recreational fires put out by our fire department; they sell fire pits to people without any consideration of other people's right to clean air. If there is smoke damage to your home individuals with fire pits can be charged and forced to pay said damage, at least thus far in this state. I'm sure adding pot smoke will be a big problem for us. Note that we can take a little smoke for a short period of time, say like using a grill. It's the long intake of smoke that is a problem with us. Why is it that some people scream for clean air but have fire pits and/or smoke?
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I used to think we should legalize it because it was benign and the tax revenue would be useful. I have changed my mind.
I see that most people can't control their use of it, just as a huge percentage of drinkers can't control their use of alcohol.
It seems wrong that we build state government budgets on getting people to do things that hurt them. The lottery and now this. And unlike tobacco, we're not taxing to discourage. We are actually encouraging people to do these things.
Finally, it's personal. I have a daughter who started out with this benign drug. She moved on to harder things, lost her job and her children. Might that have happened anyway? Maybe, but we shouldn't make it easier.
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Yeah, I really had not considered the stink. You can always smell it from afar.....
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Lots of good thoughtful perspective here from you folks. My experience with pot has not been all roses either. And, remember, while the states make it legal, the federal government still has laws against it. I am afraid it is just another one of those messes we have gotten ourselves into.
Perhaps it would have just been better to just decriminilize it. But no one asked me. Can we all agree no one should go to jail for having an ounce of pot? Still illegal and kept on the down under (...you have to know a guy or knows a guy or you have to grow it), but not a crime.
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