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One of my customers moved to a smaller building.... a local newspaper... (bad business to be in these days)...and they were trying to sell the old larger building for the past few years.

A new company has finally bought the building. They are a HEMP company. Hemp is becoming big business here in this area of NC. The under 3% THC kind.

In speaking with the owner/partner I was dealing with I asked him his thoughts on legalization on a state and nationwide level. He and others in the business seem to think it will be legal in all 50 states and at the federal level as well within 5 years. Legal doesn't mean recreational use per se..... but perhaps medical at the very least. Obviously recreational in many of the states.....

After all, we all need a little patch in the backyard for medicinal purposes.

What is interesting is that distilling liquor has always remained the sole privilege of the government..... both state and federal and while you can brew your own beer and wine..... you can't cook up your own whiskey....legally. Even from the early days of this country when we had the most freedom and the least govt intrusion, whiskey has been tightly regulated..... George Washington was responsible for putting down the whiskey rebellion. I some states, you can own a still for other purposes but in some states, the mere possession of a functional still is a felony. Welcome to NC. I reckon we'll be among the last to legalize sativa.


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Pot - if you are 3 houses down, it wafts in my windows at night and I'm sorry, but that's an invasion of privacy. Olfactory pollution.

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Scott, it can be worse than that. Myself, my wife and son all have asthma. All five of us have allergies. Smoke of any kind can cause an attack. We have had to have a number of recreational fires put out by our fire department; they sell fire pits to people without any consideration of other people's right to clean air. If there is smoke damage to your home individuals with fire pits can be charged and forced to pay said damage, at least thus far in this state. I'm sure adding pot smoke will be a big problem for us.

Note that we can take a little smoke for a short period of time, say like using a grill. It's the long intake of smoke that is a problem with us.

Why is it that some people scream for clean air but have fire pits and/or smoke?


I hadn’t considered the asthma aspect of things with fire pits. Or fireplaces for that matter.

I do believe there is an answer, however for your final question and that is that most people SEEM to enjoy the smell of a campfire or fireplace or fire pit, the only people that I am aware of that deeply enjoy the smell of burning weed are those that are addicted to it.

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I will never forget my sister's call when the police told her that they found her husband's body. The children wept and wept and wept. It was the worse crying I ever heard.

We are living a nightmare right now.

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I must admit that I'm surprised at all of the vitriol I'm seeing against the legalization of pot.

I've always thought that it was ridiculous for people to be put in jail for doing something that is none of the government's business or anyone else's business. I remember reading an article when I was just a kid about this young man who was busted for a $10 bag of pot in Texas and ended up getting life in prison because the judge declared him a "career criminal". His only previous offence was breaking into a pop machine to steal change when he was 15.

Classifying pot as a schedule 1 drug is nonsense.

"Marijuana is a schedule I drug under the Controlled Substance Act passed by the Congress in 1970. A schedule I drug is a dangerous substance that has no recognized medical use and that has a high potential for abuse. In addition to marijuana, heroin, LSD and ecstasy are schedule I substances."

Considering that I can go to any convenience store and buy alcohol and get a whole lot more wasted on it than I ever could on pot just highlights how stupid our antiquated laws against it are.

It's good to see more states are looking to legalize it for recreational use. I hope to live to see the day when this becomes one more draconian law erased from our books.

I'm totally against heavy drugs and I've seen first hand how they can wreck peoples lives. If pot is in any way a gateway drug, it's primarily because most people still have to go to a drug dealer to get it instead of being able to plant it in their garden next to the tomatoes and peppers.

We need to stop trying to legislate things that are personal decisions. Stop making criminals out of people who are otherwise upstanding citizens.

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I must admit that I'm surprised at all of the vitriol I'm seeing against the legalization of pot.

I've always thought that it was ridiculous for people to be put in jail for doing something that is none of the government's business or anyone else's business. I remember reading an article when I was just a kid about this young man who was busted for a $10 bag of pot in Texas and ended up getting life in prison because the judge declared him a "career criminal". His only previous offence was breaking into a pop machine to steal change when he was 15.

Classifying pot as a schedule 1 drug is nonsense.

"Marijuana is a schedule I drug under the Controlled Substance Act passed by the Congress in 1970. A schedule I drug is a dangerous substance that has no recognized medical use and that has a high potential for abuse. In addition to marijuana, heroin, LSD and ecstasy are schedule I substances."

Considering that I can go to any convenience store and buy alcohol and get a whole lot more wasted on it than I ever could on pot just highlights how stupid our antiquated laws against it are.

It's good to see more states are looking to legalize it for recreational use. I hope to live to see the day when this becomes one more draconian law erased from our books.

I'm totally against heavy drugs and I've seen first hand how they can wreck peoples lives. If pot is in any way a gateway drug, it's primarily because most people still have to go to a drug dealer to get it instead of being able to plant it in their garden next to the tomatoes and peppers.

We need to stop trying to legislate things that are personal decisions. Stop making criminals out of people who are otherwise upstanding citizens.

Well said, Bob! Well said indeed!

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I've always thought that it was ridiculous for people to be put in jail for doing something that is none of the government's business or anyone else's business. I remember reading an article when I was just a kid about this young man who was busted for a $10 bag of pot in Texas and ended up getting life in prison because the judge declared him a "career criminal". His only previous offence was breaking into a pop machine to steal change when he was 15.
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Respectfully to all that agree with the above paragraph, I'm addressing the merits of the words not any person. You all have every right to think as you wish but this paragraph above is the most ill-informed paragraph that's ever appeared in this forum...

If you think it's ridiculous for people to be put in jail for doing something that is none of the government's business or anyone else's business, (inferring to being under the influence of any mind altering drug or drink) the next time you or a family member or friend is high and think you or they are totally in control and set your house on fire, severely burn themselves cooking, play with a loaded gun, wants to start a fight or fall down a flight of stairs, don't call the fire department, ambulance, first responders or your neighbors. Take care of it yourself.

Put simply, your thought that a drunk or high person is harmless to themselves and others, that they are 'in control' and have clarity of thought and deed, has clueless knowledge to the real world and you're ill-informed.

I've been a certified fire fighter, certified fire cause and origin investigator, certified arson investigator, State fire Academy graduate for both fire fighter and arson investigation, mentored under a nationally recognized Cause and Origin instructor for both ATF and FBI. I have been a State Constable. I have testified in court proceedings as an expert witness. I investigated thousands of building and auto fires, auto accidents and thefts across multiple states. I had a 34 year career of daily seeing the damages caused by harmless drunks and pot heads. It's inexplicable how you folks are unaware of the truth.


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Vitriol? What you are seeing is my pain.

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First, I need to address this. I did not start this tread with any intention to minimize the suffering incurred by substance abuse on our families. Deb, I am sorry that you and your family are suffering with this. You and all who have been touched by the horrors of drug abuse are in my prayers at this time.


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Charlie,
I respect your opinion on the matter. As a first responder you have likely seen the horror of the aftermath of drug abuse like few others. But you have made some assumptions in your message which were not prompted by anything said to this point. No one ever implied or stated that "...drunk or high person is harmless to themselves and others, that they are 'in control' and have clarity of thought and deed..." Please don't confuse the horror men do with their ability to do it.

If I may have the last word on this topic since I started it, I think this likely does not belong in the forum. In retrospect I just don't see the "music related nature" of the discussion. I have asked the forum moderator to close this topic.

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Here comes the music related bit,

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From my hometown police department in Illinois......


I hope the Freeport law and other laws include not only not being seen but not being sensed by any others. Like I said, if I can smell it it's getting into my body. Being drugged against my will.
If I can't see someone using marijuana but the fumes are reaching me that should be against the law. But my guess is the states and counties will pass that issue to city ordinance.
BTW, what's the THC/blood limit in Freeport? Do they have a sobriety test standard yet? Let me guess, I hope I'm wrong, they didn't think of that when they wrote and passed the law. Maybe the legislature is under the influence of California politics.
I suppose we'll have to wait and see a few people get hurt or killed then figure that out.



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Charlie,

It's fine to disagree with me but to take the things I said totally out of context and finish it off with an insult isn't okay.

To use an analogy, if I were to say that Prohibition was a terrible idea and accomplished nothing more than bolstering organized crime to levels never seen before and you were to respond by saying "so you think it's okay for people to get drunk, abuse their wives and children and lose their job and the family home?!"

Or, If I were to say that I support the second amendment and you were to respond by saying "so you want school shootings and armed uprisings to become even more commonplace ?!"

If you wanted to challenge my opinion on the legalization of pot, then do it without insulting me by saying things like "You all have every right to think as you wish but this paragraph above is the most ill-informed paragraph that's ever appeared in this forum..."

I'm not ill informed nor ignorant, ... I just have a different opinion than you have. Since we still have freedom of speech in the good old USA, I should be able to express that without having someone I consider a forum friend take my words out of context and insult me.

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CHICAGO (AP) — Illinois’ governor granted more than 11,000 pardons for low-level marijuana convictions on Tuesday, describing the step as a first wave of thousands of such expungements anticipated under the state’s new marijuana legalization law.

State officials estimate that 116,000 convictions involving 30 grams or less of marijuana, including for possession of the drug, are eligible for pardons under the new law.


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Oh, and just for those who follow this stuff... going price is 65 USD plus tax, for 1/8th oz (3.5 grams).


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Oh, and just for those who follow this stuff... going price is 65 USD plus tax, for 1/8th oz (3.5 grams).


Would that be a weeks supply for an average user I wonder? as I never tried it, can smell it a mile off though as I worked with a few people who did.

What I remember is they always seemed to be a bit on edge every Friday in anticipation of their usual weekly supply, all young guys at the time never seemed to do them a lot of harm, definitely money wise it did.


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Oh, and just for those who follow this stuff... going price is 65 USD plus tax, for 1/8th oz (3.5 grams).

Outrageous! We listened to Cheech & Chong on vinyl and only paid $20 for an ounce. We knew it was an ounce because it was in those old fashioned sandwich bags and measured approximately 4 fingers tall! Yeah, it had stems and seeds ("that you don't need") but it was mellow and fun. Not like the paranoia inducing killer weed of today!


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Charlie,

It's fine to disagree with me but to take the things I said totally out of context and finish it off with an insult isn't okay.

To use an analogy, if I were to say that Prohibition was a terrible idea and accomplished nothing more than bolstering organized crime to levels never seen before and you were to respond by saying "so you think it's okay for people to get drunk, abuse their wives and children and lose their job and the family home?!"

Or, If I were to say that I support the second amendment and you were to respond by saying "so you want school shootings and armed uprisings to become even more commonplace ?!"

If you wanted to challenge my opinion on the legalization of pot, then do it without insulting me by saying things like "You all have every right to think as you wish but this paragraph above is the most ill-informed paragraph that's ever appeared in this forum..."

I'm not ill informed nor ignorant, ... I just have a different opinion than you have. Since we still have freedom of speech in the good old USA, I should be able to express that without having someone I consider a forum friend take my words out of context and insult me.


Bob, you have clearly misunderstood my comment and responded to a different context to what I said.

I stated from the outset, my remarks were not about you or anyone else. I stated from the outset you and all others are entitled to your opinions.
I copied the exact words, exactly as you wrote them and that was what I was directing my comments toward. I limited my remarks to those exact words, exactly as you stated them.

. You did not mention nor state your opinion for support or opposition to the legalization of pot in the paragraph I referenced my remarks to. The opinion you did express was "it's ridiculous for people to be put in jail for doing 'something' that is none of the government's business or anyone else's business. Your statement, along with "We need to stop trying to legislate things that are personal decisions. Stop making criminals out of people who are otherwise upstanding citizens." relate directly to your true story example about a guy in Texas's arrest!

. Your true story example tells of personal decisions the guy made that resulted in him being arrested and doesn't establish him as an otherwise upstanding citizen but his personal decisions got him arrested and convicted and labeled a criminal.

. Your comments assert that his criminal activity didn't warrant jail time nor particularly, the sentence he received.

. My response that you were ill-informed is because you don't establish his long sentence was due solely because the judge declared him a "career criminal". My experience is that it's unlikely your facts recalled as a kid are correct or complete. The judge likely had information regarding the suspect you didn't and even back those years ago, the sentence he rendered would have had to be within set guidelines and subject to review and appeal. The subject's defense attorney would be completely knowledgeable to the sentencing guidelines and would have reacted accordingly if a major error or intentional biased and excessive sentence by the judge occurred.

. I responded that people using drugs and/or alcohol, even in the privacy of their home can be harmful to themselves and others, including police, fire, EMS and neighbors. This was not an assumption but based on years of first hand personal experience.

So, I disagreed with your point about arrests and that people go to jail for doing something that's not government or others business even though illegal and you provide an example of a young man with both a prior record and a conviction and yet you have somehow read into my comment that I infringed on your personal opinion of Illinois legalizing pot... and you erroneously allege that I wrote you are ignorant.

The good news is I didn't mention your opinion of pot, nor the legalizing of pot in Illinois and the better news is I never wrote the word ignorant. Where did that come from???



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