curiouser and curioser............i've been using my behringer interface for BIAB and RB with great results but today just for curiosity tried the defunct creative card not with the WAS drivers or MME drivers but the native creative asio drivers. worked fine in RB and as the card has a front panel I've got my headphone quality sound mixing option back without needing to connect the behringer

but the card still won't play audio from other applications so for that it's back to the onboard sound

bill gates and creative seem to have half their act together............