|
Log in to post
|
Print Thread |
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 1,143
Expert
|
OP
Expert
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 1,143 |
I guess it is supposed to? Since even the free VanBasco Midi/karaoke player does. So is it anything in the setting I have overlooked ?
Thank's in advance...
Forever Grateful, BUT, sometimes pissed of.  Trygve "Leo" Larsen BiaB 2020, Windows 8.1, Intel Core i5 CPU, 270GHz, 32 Gb RAM My OLD tracks on Soundcloud; https://soundcloud.com/trygve-larsen My NEW is unpublished The Universe = Uni-verse ie one song.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 20,676
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 20,676 |
Hi Trygve,
It's been a while since I last saw you. I hope things are going well for you and your family.
If the MIDI file has been saved with tempo information, then BIAB should read it. The file will need to start playing, though, for BIAB to pickup that information.
Could it be that the file has not been saved with tempo data?
Regards,
Noel
MY SONGS...Audiophile BIAB 2026
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 1,143
Expert
|
|
OP
Expert
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 1,143 |
Hi Noel ! Thank's for ur always quick respond and for ur care.. Yeah, not much around here anymore.. Just making music as usual most of the days, and seldom encounter any big problems anymore... Hope u r well as well ! When it comes to the midi tracks I working on now, mostly Classical Music, downloaded from different sites, I use to play them first in VanBasco player, to check it out. And YES, there I can see the BPM changes as the song plays.. BUT, when I import to Biab, there is no changes in the Biab.. I just especially observed it today, played Beethoven Overture and Introduction - The Creatures of Prometheus. And the playtime was 6:32, there. I did not play the whole song, just imported it in Biab, added VST instruments a.s.o, till I was happy, and render it. To my surprise, the rendered track was 29:03 loong ! So I played it again in VanBasco and that was the time I observed that after a while the BPM changed from around 48 to 300 after a little while, and then up and down as the music played... So yes, the miditrack HAD BPM, but was not read by BiaB obviously...;)
Forever Grateful, BUT, sometimes pissed of. Trygve "Leo" Larsen BiaB 2020, Windows 8.1, Intel Core i5 CPU, 270GHz, 32 Gb RAM My OLD tracks on Soundcloud; https://soundcloud.com/trygve-larsen My NEW is unpublished The Universe = Uni-verse ie one song.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 21,141
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 21,141 |
... And the playtime was 6:32, there. I did not play the whole song, just imported it in Biab, added VST instruments a.s.o, till I was happy, and render it. To my surprise, the rendered track was 29:03 loong ! ... Hi Leo, 1: Did the song show that the length was 29 minutes on the top form caption, or did it actually play for 29 minutes? I understand that BiaB simply checks the BPM (tempo) value for the first bar, and the number of bars, and determines the song length using this tempo start value. It doesn't 'look ahead' at other changes to tempo values within the song when calculating the predicted song length. I'm interested to know if the song actually took 29+ minutes to play, or if that was the initial suggestion from the program only. 2: When you mention 'and render it', does that mean 'Generate' the song, or render to an output audio file?
BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 1,143
Expert
|
|
OP
Expert
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 1,143 |
Hi Leo,
1:
Did the song show that the length was 29 minutes on the top form caption, or did it actually play for 29 minutes?
Yes, It actually took 29 minits to play the song... I understand that BiaB simply checks the BPM (tempo) value for the first bar, and the number of bars, and determines the song length using this tempo start value. It doesn't 'look ahead' at other changes to tempo values within the song when calculating the predicted song length.. Ok, then THAT is highly inadequate for playing midi with differences in BPM during the song.. 2: When you mention 'and render it', does that mean 'Generate' the song, or render to an output audio file? Render to an output...
Forever Grateful, BUT, sometimes pissed of. Trygve "Leo" Larsen BiaB 2020, Windows 8.1, Intel Core i5 CPU, 270GHz, 32 Gb RAM My OLD tracks on Soundcloud; https://soundcloud.com/trygve-larsen My NEW is unpublished The Universe = Uni-verse ie one song.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 12,852
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 12,852 |
I don't think BIAB reads tempo at all from MIDI files, other than the initially set tempo when you open the file. When I look at the event list on the Melody Track (which is where MIDI files go), I don't see tempo at all). It does read things like volume and panning, though.
John Laptop-HP Omen I7 Win11Pro 32GB 12TB SSD Desktop-ASUS-I7 Win10Pro 32GB 12TB SATA BB2026/UMC204HD&404HD/Casios/Cakewalk/Reaper/Studio One/Notion/Dorico/Noteworthy/NI/Halion/IK http://www.sus4chord.com (under rehosting/construction)
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 21,141
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 21,141 |
Hi Leo,
1:
Did the song show that the length was 29 minutes on the top form caption, or did it actually play for 29 minutes?
Yes, It actually took 29 minits to play the song... Wow. 29 minutes. Did it sound slow and drawn out? Did it play repeated sections? Did it take a long time between notes? What did the 29+ minute result actually sound like?
BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 1,143
Expert
|
|
OP
Expert
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 1,143 |
Since it is midi after all, make it sound normal. And since I never had heard that song in its original speed before, I could not tell. But it was of course a bit "boring"... No really long time between notes at all... And no repeated section.. Just looooong... So if this is not a bug or something, just lack of the ability to read this kind of info from a midifile, that makes BiaB actually useless for many classical midifiles. I suggest PG music look into that and see if it is possible to implement such reading of tempo in the program code.. I mean, VanBasco is a FREE midiplayer and does it. So it can't be that hard...
Forever Grateful, BUT, sometimes pissed of. Trygve "Leo" Larsen BiaB 2020, Windows 8.1, Intel Core i5 CPU, 270GHz, 32 Gb RAM My OLD tracks on Soundcloud; https://soundcloud.com/trygve-larsen My NEW is unpublished The Universe = Uni-verse ie one song.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 25,028
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 25,028 |
"So I played it again in VanBasco and that was the time I observed that after a while the BPM changed from around 48 to 300 after a little while, and then up and down as the music played..."
Maybe that is your answer. If BiaB only picked up the 48 BPM then the fast original 300 BPM parts were played at 48 BPM, i.e. much slower. Thus every minute of 300 BPM would take around 6 minutes at 48 BPM.
Life is short so make sure you spend as much time as possible on the Internet arguing with strangers.
64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 1,143
Expert
|
|
OP
Expert
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 1,143 |
BTW, I did a google for the topic and saw that I have addressed the problem before here. That time about making karaoke songs in Biab. https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=456562Here it was suggested that perhaps RB was a better choice for working with midifiles. So I was thinking; Ok, let me try that again. But guess what? I open same midifile in RB, and it started with 120 BMP ! Same midifile as BiaB starts whit 48 ! ! ! This particular midifiles has A LOT of tempo-change, so for me to manually set those with the Bar setting, is out of the question.. And THEN, to try the file in the 120 BPM speed, thinking it would at least sound closer to the original, I tried to open Kontakt 5, Thinking RB now was also a 64 bit program, I tried first the 64 bit version. But guess what???? Kontakt 5 is NOT a valid VST plugin... So, thinking ok, RB is not a 64 bit program yet, so let me just open the 32 bit version. But guess what again???? NOT valid again ! So WTF ??? IS RB a 32 bit program or not??? Is it ANY DAW out there that DOES NOT have all this problems and limitations`???????
Forever Grateful, BUT, sometimes pissed of. Trygve "Leo" Larsen BiaB 2020, Windows 8.1, Intel Core i5 CPU, 270GHz, 32 Gb RAM My OLD tracks on Soundcloud; https://soundcloud.com/trygve-larsen My NEW is unpublished The Universe = Uni-verse ie one song.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 25,028
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 25,028 |
Is it ANY DAW out there that DOES NOT have all this problems and limitations`???????
When I was using Sonar if I clicked on a MIDI file and opened it with Sonar, Sonar would include the tempo file. If you had Sonar open and inserted a MIDI file the file would follow Sonar's tempo track. You might want to check the new free Cakewalk by Bandlab and see if that is still true. Or maybe a user can confirm this.
Life is short so make sure you spend as much time as possible on the Internet arguing with strangers.
64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 1,143
Expert
|
|
OP
Expert
Joined: Oct 2015
Posts: 1,143 |
Hi MarioD ! I tried it in the trial version of Reaper, and it works there. Will download Cakewalk and give it a try also there. Most midi works fine in BiaB, except a few till now, so I don't see any BIG reason to invest in another DAW... But since Cakewalk is free, then why not give it a try, I think..
Forever Grateful, BUT, sometimes pissed of. Trygve "Leo" Larsen BiaB 2020, Windows 8.1, Intel Core i5 CPU, 270GHz, 32 Gb RAM My OLD tracks on Soundcloud; https://soundcloud.com/trygve-larsen My NEW is unpublished The Universe = Uni-verse ie one song.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.
ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Peter Gannon Talks Band-in-a-Box with zplane
zplane recently interviewed Peter Gannon, the founder and creator of Band-in-a-Box, about the software's early days, what sets it apart from AI, how zplane's audio algorithms are used in Band-in-a-Box, and more!
Special thanks to the team at zplane for their continued support.
Check out the full interview here: https://products.zplane.de/blog/peter-gannon-interview-pg-music
Last Chance! The Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac® Special Ends Today (May 31, 2026) at 11:59pm PDT!
Time really is running out! Save up to 50% on Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac® upgrades and receive a FREE Bonus PAK—only when you order by 11:59 PM PDT today!
We've added many major new features and new content in a redesigned Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
Version 2026 introduces a modernized GUI redesign across the program, with updated toolbars, refreshed windows, smoother workflows, and a new Dark Mode option. There’s also a new side toolbar for quicker access to commonly used windows, and the new Multi-View feature lets you arrange multiple windows as layered panels without overlap, making it easier to customize your workspace.
Another exciting new addition is the amazing new AI-Notes feature, which can transcribe polyphonic audio into MIDI. View the results in notation or play them back as MIDI, and choose whether to transcribe an entire track or transcribe specific parts like drums, bass, guitars/piano, or vocals. There's over 100 new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®.
There's an amazing collection of new content too, including 202 RealTracks, new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two RealDrums Stems sets, and much more!
Upgrade your Band-in-a-Box for Mac® to save up to 50% on most Band-in-a-Box® 2026 upgrade packages!
Plus, when you order your Band-in-a-Box® 2026 Mac upgrade during our special, you'll receive a Free Bonus PAK of exciting new add-ons.
If you need any help deciding which package is the best option for you, just let us know. We are here to help!
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 Mac Special Offers Extended Until May 31st!
Good news- we've extended our Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac® special offers until May 31, 2026!
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 is packed with major new features, enhancements, and an incredible lineup of new content! The program now sports a sleek, modern GUI redesign across the entire interface, including updated toolbars, refreshed windows, smoother workflows, a new dark mode option, and more. The brand-new side toolbar provides quicker access to key windows, while the new Multi-View feature lets you arrange multiple windows as layered panels without overlap, creating a flexible, clutter-free workspace. We have an amazing new “AI-Notes” feature. This transcribes polyphonic audio into MIDI so you can view it in notation or play it back as MIDI. You can transcribe an entire track (all pitched instruments and drums) or focus on individual parts like drums, bass, guitars/piano, or vocals. There's an amazing collection of new content too, including 202 RealTracks, new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two RealDrums Stems sets, and much more!
There are over 100 new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®.
When you order purchase Band-in-a-Box® 2026 before 11:59 PM PDT on May 31st, you'll also receive a Free Bonus PAK packed with exciting new add-ons.
Check out the Band-in-a-Box® for Mac packages page to find the best package for you.
Holiday Weekend Hours
It's Victoria Day Long Weekend in Canada. Our Customer Service hours are:
Saturday, May 16: Closed
Sunday, May 17: Closed
Monday, May 18: 8:00am - 4:00pm
Regular hours resume Tuesday, May 19th!
Today's the Last Day of the Band-in-a-Box 2026® for Mac Special!
Order before 11:59pm PDT today (May 15, 2026) to save up to 50% off your Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac® upgrade and receive a FREE Bonus PAK loaded with great new Add-ons to use with this new version!
Don't wait - order today!
Check out all the new features in the redesigned Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac - Special Offers End at 11:59pm PDT on Friday, May 15th, 2026!
Order before 11:59pm PDT on Friday, May 15th and SAVE up to 50% on most Band-in-a-Box® version 2026 for Mac Upgrade packages... and that's not all! With your version 2026 for Mac purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons FREE! Upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks... that's 222 NEW RealTracks available with version Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac!
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac® today for as little as $49! Check out the Band-in-a-Box® packages page for all available purchase options.
Learn more about the Free Bonus PAK and 49-PAK here.
If you have any questions about which package is the best option for you, just let us know. We're here to help!
202 New RealTracks Released with Band-in-a-Box 2026!
With Band-in-a-Box® 2026, we've released 202 incredible new RealTracks (in sets 468-488) in a variety of genres—featuring your most requested styles!
Jazz, Funk & World (Sets 468-475):
Our new jazz, funk & blues RealTracks include a groovin’ collection of RealTracks and RealDrums! These include more requested “soul jazz” RealTracks featuring artists Neil Swainson (bass), Charles Treadway (organ), Brent Mason (guitar), and Wes Little (drums). There are new “smooth jazz” styles (4), which include a RealTracks first: muted trumpet, as well as slick new smooth jazz brushes options for drums. Blues lovers will be thrilled—there are more “classic acoustic blues” styles, including guitar (5), bass (4), and drums (10) with blues master Colin Linden, featuring understated and tasty background acoustic soloing, plus brushes drums and acoustic bass. There are also new electric blues RealTracks, including electric blues with PG favorite Johnny Hiland (3) and soulful electric slide guitar from Colin Linden (4). If you love funk & gospel, there are great new options this year, including gospel organ (3) from Charles Treadway, as well as new funk, tango, and rock ’n’ roll drums (3) and bass (1). And for big, bold arrangements, we have uptempo soul horns (4) featuring a three-part hip horn section with options for a full mix or stems of each individual horn — plus an accompanying rhythm section (4) of drums, bass, guitar, and electric piano!
Rock & Pop (Sets 476–482):
Our new rock & pop RealTracks bring a powerful mix of requested favorites, fresh genres, and modern chart-inspired styles! We have more of our popular “Producer Layered Acoustic Guitars (15)” featuring Band-in-a-Box favorite Brent Mason. We’ve continued our much-requested disco styles (10), and added new Celtic guitar (5) with a more basic, accessible approach than our previous Drop-D or DADGAD offerings. There are also highly requested yacht rock styles (17), inspired by the smooth, polished soft-rock sound of the late ’70s and early ’80s — laid-back grooves, silky electric pianos, warm textures, elegant harmonic movement, and pristine production aesthetics. Fans of heavier styles will love our new glam metal (13), capturing the flashy, high-energy sound of ’80s arena-ready guitar rock. We also have a set of rootsy modern-folk rock (18), with a warm, organic sound combining contemporary folk textures and driving acoustic strumming. And we’ve added lots of new modern pop styles (16) — the kinds of sounds you’re hearing on the radio today, featuring exciting new drums, synths, and cutting-edge RealTracks arrangements.
Country, & Americana (Sets 483–488):
Our new country & Americana RealTracks deliver a rich collection of acoustic, electric, and roots-inspired styles! We have new country pop (9) with legendary guitarist Brent Mason. There is also a potpourri (14) of bouzouki, guitars, banjo, and more, perfect for adding texture and character to contemporary acoustic arrangements. We’ve added funky country guitar (5) with PG favorite Brent Mason, along with classic pedal steel styles (5) featuring steel great Doug Jernigan. There are more country songwriter styles (8) that provide intimate, rootsy foundations for storytelling and modern Americana writing. Finally, we have “background soloing” acoustic guitar (12) with Brent Mason — simpler, but still very tasty acoustic lines designed to sit beautifully behind vocals or act as a subtle standalone solo part.
Check out all the 202 new RealTracks (in sets 468-488)!
And, if you are looking for more, the 2026 49-PAK (for $49) includes an impressive collection of 20 bonus RealTracks, featuring exciting and inspiring additions to add to your RealTracks library. You'll get new country-rhythm guitar styles from PG Music favorites Johnny Hiland and Brent Mason, along with modern-pop grooves that capture today’s radio-ready sound! There are also new indie-folk styles with guitar, bass, 6-string bass used as a high-chording instrument, acoustic guitar, and banjo. Plus, dedicated "cymbal fills" RealDrums provide an added layer that work very well with low-key folky styles with other percussion.
The 2026 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2026 49-PAK!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forums57
Topics86,604
Posts807,368
Members40,169
| |
Most Online64,515
Apr 8th, 2026
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dansk
Deutsch - Windows
Español
Français - Windows
Italiano - Windows
Nederlands
Polski
Português
Svenskt
русский
Japanese
Simplified Chinese
Traditional Chinese
Korean