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I am sure they have heard this but it doesn’t hurt to all speak up again in unison. The roar of a crowd is more Impressive than the squeak of a mouse!
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After reading these and related threads my recommendation to PG: PULL the plugin altogether and either DROP IT COMPLETELY (PG stays with BIAB as BIAB) or only have alpha and SELECT expert-only beta testers use the VSTi until perfect, WHENEVER, and whatever, that is.
Obviously VSTi users are losing sleep and can't get real work done, so Peter please just remove the obstacle causing their misery.
Larry
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+1 usually after the holiday break they work on bb and the plugin but they were on the Mac first maybe because of the delay it had last year because of stupid apple banning all 32bit apps. Apple have no qualms about all the grief they cause developers because of their slackness, so developers need to come out of retirement and run behind them because just about every update some app don't work anymore or they have to spend $$$ going to 64bit. Developers out there are still trying to get things to work on Catalina. We have all this man/woman power but we are powerless to do anything but complain, we can't pitch in and help to get things done 
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We all agree that the plugin needs some work. We all agree that it’s not right to continue to roll it out there and not complete it at least to the degree that it will be productive. That is the reason for this post not to suggest big changes, or complicated updates, but rather to fix the punch list items listed in the original post. These are not great ideas, they were advertised features. If they worked properly this plugin would be very useful.
So let’s as a collective group ask kindly but firmly that PGM move the needed resources to accomplish this NOW or at least very soon.
It serves very little purpose to continue to point out the problem, we need to as loyal and valued customers send a united voice for resolution.
So here is my request: To Peter Gannon, and the development team at PG music, both the BBW4 developers, and front end group, Please ASAP divert the resources required to complete this cycle, fixing the bugs in the list originally posted in this thread as well as send to you directly by email. This plugin is a gateway product that will generate many new customers for you when it works properly. But the core reason is that you promised these features as incentives for purchase in this release cycle, and we loyally supported that release.
Now to all users contributing to this post, please add your +1 to unite our voices. +1
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After reading these and related threads my recommendation to PG: PULL the plugin altogether and either DROP IT COMPLETELY (PG stays with BIAB as BIAB) or only have alpha and SELECT expert-only beta testers use the VSTi until perfect, WHENEVER, and whatever, that is.
Obviously VSTi users are losing sleep and can't get real work done, so Peter please just remove the obstacle causing their misery.
Larry
Sounds like sarcasm but I'm inclined to agree with you. If they can't/won't fix it they should drop it.
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I also agree Rob. A big +1 from me.
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We all agree that it’s not right to not complete it to the degree that it will be productive. These are not great ideas, they were advertised features. The core reason is that you promised these features as incentives for purchase in this release cycle, and we loyally supported that release.
So here is my request: To Peter Gannon, Please divert the resources required to fixing the bugs in the original post.
BiaB backend Features advertised in the 2020 Plugin that don't work: - Center
- Panned
- Dry
- Embedded Tempo
- Normalize
- The 300 new MIDI RCs for Real Drums
- Style changes in the Bar settings
- The new in 2020 Harmony's
- Medley Changes
- Ending only works with 4 bars ending.
- RDs do not re-generate when generated on the Style page Center
To complete the basic rendering capabilities of BiaB:
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+1
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Please fix those things
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Nope really not sarcasm, I'll leave it at that.
I hope everybody gets the plugin they want.
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Here's the problem.
Nobody cares.
This minute as I'm writing this there are 134 viewers on the main Biab forum and 4 on this one including me and I don't care either. This 3 page thread has the same 10 to 12 users who post in the other big threads about this.
Unless PG has stats showing a whole lot more interest in the VST than the forums do this thing is a big bomb. Just mho, I don't think the bugs have anything to do with it. The vast majority of Biab users are not into DAW's and this VST means nothing to them, just look at all the posters who have never opened Real Band and have no clue about it. Typical Biab users like the basic simplicity of the program and go no further with it so to me this is the problem with putting a lot more resources into it.
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Here's the problem.
Nobody cares.
This minute as I'm writing this there are 134 viewers on the main Biab forum and 4 on this one including me and I don't care either. This 3 page thread has the same 10 to 12 users who post in the other big threads about this.
Unless PG has stats showing a whole lot more interest in the VST than the forums do this thing is a big bomb. Just mho, I don't think the bugs have anything to do with it. The vast majority of Biab users are not into DAW's and this VST means nothing to them, just look at all the posters who have never opened Real Band and have no clue about it. Typical Biab users like the basic simplicity of the program and go no further with it so to me this is the problem with putting a lot more resources into it.
Bob Bob, I agree that the VSTi is a big bomb. I can see some value in it but as I have stated it is useless as it stands right now. Personally I don't care if it flies or not. But I don't believe your "The vast majority of Biab users are not into DAW's" is a true statement. I believe they are into DAWs as I see a number of DAWs listed every day. DAWs like Cakewalk, Studio One, FL Studio, Reason, RealBand, etc, are some of what has been mentioned. Many of use don't use RealBand because we are already proficient in other DAWs. YMMV
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It should of been marketed as a whole new product without the very old Band in a Box name.
If you are using it in a DAW you want session musician tracks and the name Band in a Box is associated with accompaniment that's been around since 1854 so it's not something new to get the interest of DAW users "oh Biab I tried that once could not work it out...too complex...".
Session Track Pro VST, Studio Tracks Pro VST whatever.. would of got attention and out of the Band in a Box mindset.
This was all suggested way back in beta.
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Bob, Mario, your opinions are both valid. I have to respectfully ask why air them here. The whole point of this thread is for those who do care about the plugin. We all like it, and are excited to see it get fixed. Why you ask?
Well frankly there is a whole world out there of DAW users that are not crusty old BiaB curmudgeons. This plugin when working properly can be a true gateway product into those folks world. I know several here that have many friends in the DAW world that would like the product if it was fixed. I know at least three here in this thread that would promote this elsewhere.
So if you are truly against this why come in and rain on others parade, why not just either be supportive of others or move on and post where your interest lies. I for one would use this plugin on almost every project.
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Rob, you're right and I'm sorry. I just reacted to Bob's message. My bad.
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No worries my friend I always respect your opinion as I also do Bob’s.
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I don't really use the plugin myself, but if my memory serves me correctly, PGmusic has demonstrated it at NAMM and other places, and the impression I got was it went well for them.
So I would imagine a new user to biab on seeing those demonstrations and probably buying biab on the strength of what he/she saw would be very irked if the plugin did not work correctly for them, as what they saw in the display, and buying biab on the strength of that.
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Music lover your post is exactly why this thread exist. This needs to be fixed ASAP as is is being promoted as a viable part of the system and can cause problems when used and some features are broken so can we count you as a +1 in light of hoping this doesn’t hurt PGM.
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Many of use don't use RealBand because we are already proficient in other DAWs. I'm in this camp. I don't care not so much for the plugin as such but for an easy way to integrate BiaB into my DAW worklflow. In all the years I used BiaB I didn't even try RealBand once. There are so many really good, fully featured, all-purpose DAWs around I don't no why I should bother using one that comes as an add-on. Masi
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Well, I hope they fix the list of bugs/issues/etc, as I really want to use the plugin with a DAW. I see a lot of value, especially for easily generating parts and dropping them into a track (even just a few bars at a time, if you wish). I also don't have to worry about things like two apps concurrently open, both using ASIO, and I get to visually "stay in" the DAW while working.
I don't think anything that's been asked for here is unreasonable, and Adar (and company) has been pretty quick to get things working. I understand the effort is probably on the Mac 2020 version right now, but I'm fine if they get these things done by the end of the year (I'm patient).
I don't think anyone can say no one cares. Just because someone doesn't participate in the forum doesn't mean they aren't interested. In fact, only 252 people have logged into the forum this month (and then it drops back to January for the most recent login). Clearly, PGMusic has many, many more users than the regulars (or even irregulars) on the forum, or they wouldn't still be in business.
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New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
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