Just wonder if that could be an good idea as a separate forum or something here for that..
Anyway I just post something here temporary, and moderators can feel free to move it to another forum, if needed.
I have this Chris Hein Guitar library for Kontakt, among many consider to one of the best Guitar Library out there.
However, I have never used it, because it turns out, as far as I can understand, it's not suited for playback of midifiles. It's more for playing guitar with a keyboard-. It has to do with this articulations key, that are higher up in the keyboard then the lowest string on a guitar, for whatever reason that is. SO; when I use it in a midifile, those articulations keys, are triggered, and gives articulations that I don't want... I have contacted Best service about it, but according to the last email, there is nothing to do about it...
So, if someone want it, I can either swap it for a good alternative that works for midi files, or sell it cheep...
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Can you just put a midi mapping plugin before it so all notes coming from the midi file are mapped to the blue keys that play notes without articulations.
Can you just put a midi mapping plugin before it so all notes coming from the midi file are mapped to the blue keys that play notes without articulations.
That is generally what is done. Your DAW (Reaper) will permit you to move the midi notes up to the blue keys and avoid the articulations.
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The problem is guitar music is written an octave higher that it sounds. Some guitar MIDI files compensate for this while many GM files do not. Couple that with some guitar VSTis expect the MIDI file to be written in concert key, that is not an octave higher, while others expect it to be written an octave higher. Confusing ain't it. Note that a bass is in the same situation.
All you have to do is to either transpose a MIDI guitar track either up or down an octave and you will be all set.
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Yes maybe that could work? I have tried to transpose the notes one octave, and that does it also, but it does not sound the same.. Can a mapping key do it without transposing? Have never tried that... U have a suggestion for a VST doing it?
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Sorry Mario, u posted this when I was writing... But, no, it does not sound right when just transposing it...
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Sorry Mario, u posted this when I was writing... But, no, it does not sound right when just transposing it...
Something ain't right. Can you either post or send me the MID file so I can look at it. If you want to send it to me PM me and I'll get back to you with my email address.
I don't have that VSTi but I have run into the same thing with other guitar VSTis and transposing did the trick.
Note that some VSTis will allow you to change articulation keys. Can you do that?
{edit} An after thought, is this a GM MIDI file? Some GM MIDI guitar composers do not stay within the limits of the guitar range. Many GM VSTis allow an instrument to play the entire range of a piano and not within the limits of the emulated instrument. This has caused me problems in the past.
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Something ain't right. Can you either post or send me the MID file so I can look at it. If you want to send it to me PM me and I'll get back to you with my email address.
I don't have that VSTi but I have run into the same thing with other guitar VSTis and transposing did the trick.
Note that some VSTis will allow you to change articulation keys. Can you do that?
{edit} An after thought, is this a GM MIDI file? Some GM MIDI guitar composers do not stay within the limits of the guitar range. Many GM VSTis allow an instrument to play the entire range of a piano and not within the limits of the emulated instrument. This has caused me problems in the past.
Yes, I can post it here.. This plays just fine with the Ample guitar VSTi, but cannot play it with Chris Hein guitar, unless I transpose it one octave up. And that sound cannot compare to normal sound...
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All the Kontakt guitars I have tried all play in the blue keys. I haven't got into Kontakt programming but maybe you can go in the wrench and Mapping Editor or the Script and change things then save it as a new instrument ? Maybe ask in the Kontakt forum. You would think if you are sending the keys to those octaves you would get the correct sound ? When you transpose it is the low E in the midi playing on the first blue E ? Whats the Chord Mode Chord-keys on ? was that on when you tried transpose ?
A number of the guitar VSTis use notes above and below the normal guitar range to add inflections, slurs, body hits, slides, hammer on pull offs, palm mutes. Also various strum modes and arpeggios are often done outside the range.
The Kontakt ones are different to AmpleSound which are different AAS Strum Guitar which is different to many other guitar VTSis but similar principles apply. A lot of the strumming VSTs have a “note” or “notes” to indicate the chord and another note to indicate the strumming pattern. The notes used to indicate a chord are not necessarily the actual notes of the chord. What I mean is a C triad might only require a C note a C7 might require a C and a C#. This varies with different instruments, Patterns can sometimes be created as in AmpleSound or adjusted to get what you want say in Kontakt.
Some players allow individual notes to be played for example, AmpleSound Guitars or Session Guitarist Picked Acoustic so melodies can be played other instruments allow strumming only.
It is amazing what you can get out of some of these VSTis but they do take time to learn and not all behave the same way.
My thoughts Tony
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I have messed around with your MIDI file. It works perfectly with a Kontakt guitar and a Taylor guitar VSTi but it will not work correctly in AAS's Strum GS2. Note that the later will only play in the guitar's actual range while the others will play on all 88 keys. The problem that you are having is whomever wrote that guitar part did so on a sound source with all 88 notes available.
Things to try that MAY work: 1-click on the wrench in Kontakt and play with the tuning. 2-if that doesn't work the click on instrument options and set the key range.
I don't have that VSTi so I can't check it out. Even though I don't think that the above suggestions will work but they are worth a try. What you probably will have to do is to transpose the track/song to bring the guitar into its expected playable range.
Note that Chris Heins' VSTis are of excellent quality so I suspect it is the guitar'd playable range that is causing the problem.
Good luck and let us know how you make out.
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Ok, thank's a lot guys, for all the help u r trying to provide... It's highly appreciated... I was searching and searching the net for a solution also, and last night I came across 1 app that MIGHT work; https://cinesamples.com/product/cinemap (Free) AND, a way to extract the Guitar Library nkx files to Wav, so that I can make my own library from those, without the wrong placed articulation keys. So, if the first option does not work either, then I'll go for the 2. Anyway, I always wanted to learn how to do that, and there is plenty videos on how to do it... SO here is the way to extract those .nkx files, if someone else want to do it; https://forums.scopeusers.com/viewtopic.php?t=35574
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CineMap that's a good find, I was going to suggest SampleLord or SampleRobot but there not free. When you work it all out you should post it in Tips n Tricks.
CineMap that's a good find, I was going to suggest SampleLord or SampleRobot but there not free. When you work it all out you should post it in Tips n Tricks.
I will ! It just take som time, because, as u know, digging around in an never ending wish for improvement and new ideas, sometimes leading to new finds, that makes us exited and makes us spend time trying it out...;) AND, I have come across something really really nice and exiting stuff that open up new doors to new ENDLESS possibilities in our creations... Will not reveal it yet, BUT, it comes.. And I guess, Pipeline, due to ur own creativity and great help to me, U will be one of the first to know
BTW; What is CREATION? and HOW is it DONE? Well, we take WHAT IS, and make something NEW from it, right? NO ONE create anything entirely from scratch. A composer does not compose the PIANO, the NOTE scales, the VIOLIN etc. He takes what IS, and form it till something new. New TOOLS, new possibilities. Etc... Have a good creative day...
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