I have experienced a nuisance problem with midi files which I open in BIAB. One continuous note that is definitely not a Samba.
I have had good success with opening a midi file, setting a suitable style, then isolating one or two of the midi tracks on the melody/soloist sequencers.
When I play the song it sometimes starts with a single instrument note, presumably from the synth TTS-1, that will not stop. This noise continues whilst the rest of the song is playing.
I have tried changing the audio driver to MME, WAS or ASIO with my Steinberg UR22 interface. The noise doesn't't care, it just does its own thing regardless of the driver setting.
It makes no difference to run as administrator. Sometimes the noise continues after I press the stop or the pause button.
The noise will only disappear if I close and reopen the file, but then it might start again (if it is in the right mood).
Any ideas on how I may fix this would be appreciated. I prefer to use the UR22 interface simultaneously with Cakewalk when I drag and drop the song there for mixing. I do this by dragging the BIAB master directly to the DAW.
Try pressing F12, that is the 'panic' button and should cut the sound. I haven't yet worked out what causes this. It's like there is a sound that is started in a file but it hasn't got a 'turn off' command associated with it.
The times that I've had it happen, it's always been the same pitched note. Is that you case, as well?
I think it is always the same pitched note, but the tone varies, e.g. organ one time, car horn the next.
Oh, not good. Next time it's the car horn, check the street out the front (runs, ducks for cover).
But on a more serious 'note', probably not a car horn, but an awry horn type instrument sound without a corresponding note-off or subsequent note velocity=0 event.
If this is repeatable, then can you post the offending file for others to assist to check. I'm sure we can help to sort this out.
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I encounter the same in between.. A continuing tone that will not stop. No idea why.. Have to restart BiaB to make it stop...
A note thereof; In many of my other software's, there is this message when start the program again, after a involuntary shut down, due to brown out, or other reasons; Like ; " "The last session was not saved properly; DO u want to restore the project?" Or something like that. NOT in BiaB.. What is lost, when/if a shut down, OR, a forced restart, is lost forever... Could it be something for PG-music to implement?
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This behaviour in midi is normally caused by overlapping notes. Each midi note sends a note on and a note off after the note duration. If you send another note of the same pitch before the fist note has sent its note off it continues to play because you have sent 2 note on and it only received one note of. You can see this in the piano roll view you can deal with it here and most Daws like Cakewalk will run a cal program to cure this There has been a thread about this a few weeks ago Link here https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=573907#Post573907
You don’t say if this is a midi from the net or midi you have recorded but it makes no odds you can still edit it. Just look for overlapping notes.
I have this issue also and no idea why the continuing tone starts or doesn't stop but I have found how to stop the tone without having to shut down, restart or hit f12 Panic button. What I've found that stops the tone each time so far is that when I hear the tone at the count-in, I toggle the master mute button on the Mixer off and on.
I've never had to use the panic button or had to restart. In most cases, I can stop the playback and restart the song without the offending tone sounding again. Usually, I toggle the Master Mute during the count-in and play through the song without any further issue.
<<< "This behavior in midi is normally caused by overlapping notes.
If you send another note of the same pitch before the fist note has sent its note off it continues to play because you have sent 2 note on and it only received one note of.
You don’t say if this is a midi from the net or midi you have recorded but it makes no odds you can still edit it. Just look for overlapping notes." >>>
This condition occurs opening BIAB Midi Styles and BIAB Midi Style Demo files. I encounter this regardless of where the Midi file originates. It's inconsistent.
After reading this post this morning, I opened BIAB to replicate the issue. I loaded CITYWALK Even 8 Jazz Rock Style and Demo and regenerated for about ten minutes with no issue. I retained the CITYWALK demo but changed the Style and found success using DOWNWARD.STY - The tone sounded on the first regeneration.
Hi Very interesting Charlie As no notes have been sent yet from the midi file, at the count in. However the count in its self is midi drums. Very strange! Mike
Mike, when this occurs with a midi file I've opened, the tone begins before the first drum count in note and starts precisely when I hit the play button. Just hoping the 'toggling the Master Mute' trick works for others as it has for me.
Toggle the master mute button? That’s a new trick. Thanks.
I do get occasional overlapping MIDI notes, but much more in my notation program than BIAB. The main cause in BIAB is when I copy a section, such as the A section in a song with form AABA. Sometimes a note will stick from the end of the first A section.i just edit the duration of the note.
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I looked at the Piano Roll for DOWNWARD.STY and the Bass track and Guitar Track both have these colored areas in the notes of BAR 1.
I assume these are note overlaps that Mike indicated??
Yes they are. Click on the those notes, drag them up or down a step or two then delete them. Regenerate and see if the problem goes away.
Note that sometimes in Studio One Pro they cause a problem and sometimes they don't. It would depend on which of the two notes has the lowest velocity. If I take out the higher velocity note the remaining note may not sound right (layered patch), or at all. Taking out the lower velocity note is the way to go but you may have to either move, shorten or lengthen the remaining note.
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Hi Charlie your pics do show over lapping notes in bar one but seem to get over it, as if the note was still on in the midi file it would show as a continuous line from there on as in the other thread So this means that the stuck note has not got hard written into the midi file as it often does. But it is causing the synth to trigger a stuck sound , very odd.
Down loaded your sgu and it works fine for me. I notice that the 2 tracks you say cause the problems are in fact real tracks with transcription. So therefore not midi at all so I don’t see how they could cause your mid synth to jam. Very strange
Mike
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I notice that the 2 tracks you say cause the problems are in fact real tracks with transcription. So therefore not midi at all so I don’t see how they could cause your mid synth to jam.
Very strange
Mike
Actually the RT Guitars on the Melody and Soloist Channels of the Mixer are Guitars 3 and 4 in SGU file on my HDD.
However, from my system, starting the sgu song by double clicking at Bar 49 and stopping play after a Bar or Two, Restarting the song from the beginning results in the continuous tone at the beginning of the song. I can open and close my file and by taking the steps of starting at bar 49 always results in invoking the continuous tone if I restart the song.
I was hoping this sgu file would yield the same results for others since others are also experiencing the same issue. We can give it some time for others to test and see what happens. Thanks for checking the file out and looking at the photos.
can be forced by double clicking Bar 49. Once this bar has been clicked on and play begins, Play two bars and stop --- and restart the song from the beginning. On my system, the continuous tone starts when play is selected each time I've started the song. Guitars 1 and 2 are both offending tracks.
Played fine for me; could not reproduce. I have an external MIDI synth. I did notice that Guitar 2, a MIDI track, made no sound at measure one and onward at the beginning, but it did play at measure 49 and on.
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..................... The continuous tone generation can be forced by double clicking Bar 49. Once this bar has been clicked on and play begins, Play two bars and stop --- and restart the song from the beginning. On my system, the continuous tone starts when play is selected each time I've started the song. Guitars 1 and 2 are both offending tracks.
Toggling the Master Mute or Guitars 1 or 2 during the drum count-in stops the continuous tone each time it occurs.
I have opened and closed the SGU file multiple times and this error can be forced on each opening on my system.
I did not have the problem at all. I tried many times with no problems occurring during the replay. I even unfroze all of the tracks and tried it again many times and again no problem. Note that I am using BiaB's included GM VSTi and MME drivers.
I can not reproduce the problem here.
{edit} - note that I was using the OS included Realtek HD audio interface during these trials.
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Thanks everyone for testing and presenting your results. It hasn't been an issue so much for me since I discovered the Mute toggle trick and it hasn't prevented me from being able to render usable song files. It's an interesting case and puzzling how consistently I can initiate the tone on my system with this specific SGU file while others have no issue with it at all.
Lol, I have no problem at all blaming Windows 10 for the suffering of my system. It burps and sputters with all the various drivers so i'll hang my hat on that.
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