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hola carlos tengo una duda, tengo un pod 2.0, una padalera korg AX300G enchufado a una mesa soundcraft spirit folio 12-2 y como monitores unos behringer truth B2031A .Mi pregunta es la siguiente ¿ como podia conectar el pod y la pedalera korg para que sonaran a la vez?¿seria el sonido bueno o tendria que utilizar cada uno por separado?¿como conectarlos a la mesa.
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Hola Manuel, gracias, igualmente un saludo muy cordial para ti!!. La combinación de dos pedaleras me recuerda a la tendencia actual de algunos procesadores como el POD X3 que permiten utilizar dos amplificadores de su arsenal interno con la finalidad de experimentar y crear texturas y sonidos que podrian llegar a ser muy interesantes y ricos. En el caso de tu POD 2.0 y el Korg AX300G podriamos decir que se complementarian el uno al otro de la misma forma, sin embargo podrias aprovecharte de la posibilidad de crear sonidos conceptualmente diferentes que aumentarian las posibilidades de riqueza tonal, por ejemplo, podrias usar un sonido con saturacion, overdrive o fuzz en tu POD 2,0 y con el Korg un sonido eminentemente acustico y limpio lo cual podria darle relieve al sonido de tu guitarra haciendo mas claro el ataque y la definicion armónica, o podrias usar uno de los dos para la simulacion de amplificador y la otra pedalera solo para los efectos, y asi muchas ideas mas. Debes tomar en cuenta que si quieres usar las dos pedaleras al mismo tiempo tienes dos alternativas, la primera es conectarlas en serie, en ese caso debes considerar el hecho que el primer equipo de la cadena debera producir los sonidos saturados y el segundo que recibira esta señal podría usarse para los efectos como el reverb, el delay o efectos de modulacion ya que si lo haces al contrario solo lograras una confusión sónica muy molesta producto de someter los efectos antes mencionados a la saturación o distorsión. Yo te recomendaría buscar un divisor o "spliter" de la señal de la guitarra de modo que a ambos equipos le llegue la misma señal original desde tu guitarra y asi utilizarlas a discreción. Tales divisores los puedes conseguir en algunas tiendas de música especializada. Luego de la salida stereo de cada equipo llevas los respectivos cables a las entradas de LINEA de tu mesa y alli podra a conciencia dosificar la cantidad exacta que requieras de nivel, ecualización y volumen de cada pedalera. Otra idea seria conectar la guitarra a tu mesa Soundcraft usando una caja directa (para preservar los valores de impedencia y evitar pérdidas del tono y potencia de la señal) y desde ahi con un cable stereo conectado a la salida de efectos o de grabacion de la mesa llevas un cable a cada pedalera y luego lo devuelves a dos pares de canales stereo de la misma mesa, creando una suerte de lazo o loop. Algunas mesas incluso tienen entrada/salidas de insercion tipo "TRS" para intercalar precisamente efectos externos en un canal y de ahi podrias sacar ambas señales a tu POD y KORG. Suena un poco complicado y resultaría algo extenso explicarte aqui como hacerlo en detalle, pero ya depende de ti ampliar tus conocimientos en el tema, asi que considera mis ideas y consejos como un impulso a experimentar y aprender, y luego nos cuentas de los resultados para ayudarte un poco mas, o quiza terminemos nosotros preguntándote a ti!! .

Buena suerte y éxitos !!

Carlos

P.D. He respondido tu pregunta, y con mucho gusto, a pesar de no tener aparente relación con Band in a Box, la razón es que considero que todo conocimiento en el área del audio, el sonido, la informática y en fin, todo aquello que conforma el universo contemporáneo actual de la producción musical produce y establece una interacción inevitable donde al final cada elemento juega un papel grande o pequeño, pero necesario!.


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hola Carlos de nuevo,en primer lugar darte las gracias por tu gran amabilidad por tu respuesta que me ha sido de mucha utilidad,creo que voy a utilizar ambos cacharros por separado por ahora,y voy a hacerte otra pregunta, la mesa tiene dos entardas en estero,si quiero conectar una fuente como una tarjeta de sonido line 6 ux1 o un reproductor de cds para las backing tracks tienen que ir a esas entradas en estereo de la mesa?las salidas de la line 6 ux1 son tipo jack de guitarra,deberian ser cables estereo al igual que los cables que salen de la mesa a los monitores tambien en estereo para un mejor sonido?
muchas gracias y un gran saludo
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Saludos Manuel, de nada, es un placer poder aportar algo útil para ti y todo en el foro. Con respecto a tu pregunta, eso que llamas cable estereo en realidad es un cable de audio tipo balanceado y es que existen dos formas básicas de tansportar electricamente una señal de audio: no balanceada y balanceada. La primera es la mas usada en condiciones no profesionales como en los equipos de una cadena HI-FI en casa y también en muchos instrumentos y equipos musicales actuales, no implica por eso que no puedan ser usados en condiciones profesionales o en un estudio casero o aún profesional, pero debido a su simple naturaleza la señal no-balanceada es mas propensa a contaminarse con ruidos e interferencias, sobre todo en distancias largas. El cable de señal de audio balanceada utiliza un método específico de transmitir dicha señal el cual permite reducir drasticamente las interferencias y ruidos tanto en vivo como en situaciones de estudio y al tener tres conductores es por eso que suele confundirse con un cable estereo cuando se utiliza en el formato de 1/4 "jack" y no XLR (tipo micrófono), en realidad este tipo de cable es llamado en inglés TRS (tip-ring-sleeve) traducido como "punta-anillo-malla". En tu caso depende del equipo o tarjeta que uses, actualmente la mayoría de los equipos de audio para músicos suelen ofrecer los dos tipos de conectores, como por ejemplo M-Audio, aunque especificamente, a nivel de salidas, la LINE6 UX1 solo trae salida no-balanceada aun cuando sean tipo "jack" de guitarra . Esto no debe preocuparte si vas a trabajar tu sistema en distancias cortas, ya que es en las longitudes largas cuando suelen aparecer los ruidos y aún perdidas de la calidad sonora del audio. Al final no vas a sentir mucha diferencia entre ambos excepto en que la señal balanceada produce un aumento del nivel de volumen de hasta +4 DB lo cual no creo que afecte para nada tu trabajo. Te recomiendo ampliamente visitar este este enlace con una excelente referencia en el tema http://www.doctorproaudio.com/doctor/temas/balanceado.htm . Aqui también hay algunas opiniones interesantes http://www.sonidoyaudio.com/foro/viewtopic-topic:115-Sobre-el-cableado.html .

Suerte y éxito!


Carlos


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Gracias,gracias y gracias Carlos eres un fenomeno.
Un saludazo
Manuel

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