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This post is so much on the point... it is the biggest problem we have in Europe right now.. people (especially young men) having disrespect for rules about social distancing.

And to the guy who are using South Korea as an example... please inform yourself better before writing... most of the initial cases in South Korea was in a religious sect with a huge following from young people, so you cannot use it as an example of how the virus will behave in other countries.

Will

The good new is fuel for the boat has dropped by $1.50 A GAL. Only around $500 to fill the tank.

No Corona virus in the middle of the ocean. No toilet paper required, plenty of salt water to wash your butt and cool off in!!

Eva took a peak at the supermarket today and come home empty. She said we got more stuff than they do!!


That is class so funny and … always look on the bright side of life, stuff. you made me more than smile

on second though.... nahhhh I ain't jumping into this

They closed the beaches in many neighboring counties, the parks are closed and the restaurants are take-out only.

The bright spot however is according to an article in our local paper (s USA Today affiliate):



It's in the mid 80s with some very low 90s coming. Summer has hit South Florida.

And the fact that your immune system is crippled by dry weather, it's another good reason to ditch your Air Conditioner.

The fact that I don't live with AC (by choice) might be the reason why I catch a mild cold every 15 years or so and it usually lasts 2 days. I can't remember the last time I got the flu or sick for any other reason. I'd guess early 1980s.

Since we are unemployed from our main profession, Leilani and I are spending our isolation time making new aftermarket products for Band-in-a-Box. So at least we aren't bored

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Larry,

I respectfully disagree. Music has tremendous curative powers beyond scientific explanation while exercising 100% of the brain. It provides at least temporary relief from the troubling world situation.

My vote is: keep the mutual encouragement going as long as possible. I see friendships being strengthened rather than weakened by this world crisis.

People are resilient and quite malleable - they may need to be beaten into shape/submission occasionally.

Here...we can make this music related AND Band-In-A-Box related...

Silver lining.

Some advice.

How very relevant...

Let's Stay In - (A COVID-19 Song)




(yes, unabashed self-promotion...I know....)

Very well done Floyd! If you haven't already posted this one to Facebook, then you definitely should.

FJ, this sends a great and important message.

Given the world's current situation, I would never call it "unabashed self-promotion"

Needs work!

I hate bad news as much as you or anyone else does. The problem is, at the moment, the only news that is actually true is bad news.

Hiding our heads in the sand and pretending everything is okay doesn't work.

People taking steps to at least slow it down helps, if only a little.

Hey Bob,
Everyone one this site knows your political position. Sure you would say it needs work, but I think it's spot on and I get to define my position and my songs regardless. You can believe the bad news if you want to, it's your right and it's my right to my "free speech" as you often advocate.

I did not say it was not serious, I said we need to do this for all flu's as we should have for the past ones that the media didn't even tell anyone about and the upcoming ones in the future, not infect others, stay home if you're sick and we should all be cognizant.

I just don't believe it's the end of humanity and that most of us are gonna die. Many of us could do with a lot less news mania. We are mature common sense adults and know what to do without being told very few minutes to "wash our hands". Duh!

There's so much disinformation here.


H1N1 is an influenza, but SARS and the Coronavirus are not.

As for "we know what to do", here's a message that you might want to take to heart:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=o_cImRzKXOs&feature=emb_logo


This isn't accurate. As of February 10, 2020, the total number of deaths caused by the Covid-19 exceed that of the SARS.

https://www.statista.com/chart/20774/coronavirus-sars-deaths-and-cases-compared/

It's true that H1N1 deaths currently surpass those of COVID-10. With an intense global response, we might be fortunate and keep the number of fatalities under that of H1N1.

Dr. Lutz said it's too early to tell if COVID-19's numbers will surpass those of the H1N1 pandemic, but that because of a more intense global response, hopefully those numbers won't get as high as they did during the H1N1 pandemic, even with COVID-19's higher fatality rate.

https://www.khq.com/coronavirus/we-re-not-overreacting-how-covid--compares-to-past/article_2236605e-68c6-11ea-8121-934e40ceda93.html


It is not true that the nationwide panic level was “totally chill” during the H1N1 pandemic of 2009-2010. As reported by Reuters during the early days of the swine flu outbreak, swine flu chatter spread swiftly through blogs and social network sites like Twitter and Facebook while U.S. cable news networks’ saturation coverage of the outbreak gave way to a major political story (here). An academic paper that analyzed the hysteria presented by the media at the time says “media attention was immense.”

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factc...a-idUSKBN2172HT


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgPZtTeEG5k


The POTUS has already declared both the north and south borders to be closed:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2020/03/19/u-s-mexico-officials-look-ban-non-essential-travel-across-border/2874497001/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/18/us-canada-border-closed-non-essential-traffic



Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, joined CNN's Brianna Keilar to discuss efforts to combat the coronavirus.

"People sometimes think that you're overreacting," he said. "I like it when people are thinking I'm overreacting because that means we're doing it just right."

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/03/15/dr_fauci_on_coronavirus_if_people_think_were_overreacting_that_means_were_doing_it_right.html

Dcuny,
Appreciate your data and statistics. You have no way of knowing how accurate the statistics you are relying on are? They did not do a lot of testing back then as you well know how much trouble they are having now with testing, only hospital cases. Many people had SSARS and H1N1 and did not get tested or documented. I don't believe statistics anymore as they are only as good and as accurate as the input and have proved in the last two elections to be totally inaccurate. In my song I'm just saying the press did not hype up the panic back then with either of these two flu's and small businesses did not shut down, nor did people quarantine. This is a fact.

However, songs are just songs and they are specifically that person's individual reflection on what's happening at the time according to that person's take on it. We all see the world in different ways. You could argue with many songs of the past as to how accurate or not or was it the artist's interpretation of what was happening.

Does a song have to be politically correct or statistically accurate? I hope not because all creativity is out the window and we're then living in a communist environment which dictates that all our creativity has to comply with what the state tells us we can or cannot say.

I am not writing a historical documentary, even different news channels state different statistics from day to day and medical doctors disagree with each other as to how serious this is.

This is a song, it's my interpretation and my right to freedom of speech and freedom of expression. It's not meant to challenge you or anyone else's take on the world, but neither is it anyone else's right to try to define what I should write, think or feel. You don't have to like it and you don't have to agree.

Are you seriously suggesting that I should be suspecting the number of reported deaths from SARS and H1N1 as inaccurate?

Based on what? Because you feel that it's not right?


No, that's not entirely factual.

Fact: SARS is not a strain of the influenza, so it's not a flu.

Fact: The press did "hype up" H1N1. I included a link to support that statement, as well as paragraph from the article, in case you didn't feel like clicking the link.

It's true that business in the United States didn't shut down, and people - for the most part - didn't quarantine.

You seems to be implying that because we didn't act the same with H1N1, the reason is politically motivated reasons, or perhaps because of media hype.

If you had checked out this link I provided, you'd have gotten an explanation of how H1N1 differs from Coronavirus.

Since you seem adverse to clicking links, I'll provide a summary.

The Coronavirus is a "novel" virus, meaning that it's "new", and there's no existing immunity. In contrast, H1N1 is a strain of influenza, and wasn't completely "novel", so there was some level of existing immunity in the community - especially among older people.

H1N1 has a shorter incubation period than the Coronavirus, with symptoms showing up in one to four days after contracting the virus. Symptoms for the Coronavirus may not appear at all, or take up to 14 days to appear.

The mortality rate for H1N1 is estimated to be around 0.02%. For the Coronavirus, that number is in flux, initially reported at 2.3%, but now estimated to be perhaps at 1%. That's still a larger than H1N1 by a factor of over 100.

H1N1 was also less contagious than Coronavirus.

All these factors together indicate that the response to the Coronavirus needed to be different than the response to H1N1.

But if you still feel that none of those facts provides adequate justification for treating Coronavirus differently from H1N1, you could look to how the Coronavirus is effecting countries like Italy. I provided several links on that, as well.

So you don't have to click the links, here's the summary: "We underestimated this. You don't have to do the same."


Statements of facts in songs are like any other sort of statements of facts.

In this case, some are inaccurate.


If a song states something as if it were factual, then it should be accurate.


No one's First Amendment right has been abridged.

You've chosen to exercise that right by writing inaccurate information.

I've chosen to exercise that same right by pointing out where you are factually inaccurate.

Irony Alert: We're writing this on a commercial message board of a Canadian company. And - spoiler alert - our speech on this forum is censored.


Medical doctors disagreeing with how "serious" something is means they're discussing statistical likelihoods of something happening in the future.

The number of people who have died from H1N1, SARS and COVID-19 aren't seriously in disagreement, other than perhaps some level of undercounting.


Yes, you certainly have the right to be wrong, and you're fully exercising that right.

Hey Dcuny,
My next song is gonna be called "If You're Right, Then I Wanna Be Wrong". Signing off from you forever.

Your hype is much worse than the media hype you complain about. No one said "it's the end of humanity and that most of us are gonna die". Literally no one ever said that.

And as others pointed out, your "facts" are wrong. You were presented with links to facts and you responded with what you believe. Your beliefs will not save you from dying when our already strained healthcare system is overwhelmed and you need a life-saving ventilator!

This is quite serious and anyone spreading such disinformation should be called out.

Did someone say hyperbole

David,

Thank you for all those links. I found the graphs and the articles eye-opening. I sincerely appreciate your posting them.

Regards,
Noel

I just noticed the name on the thread got changed from "Covid 19 Virus (Corona)" to
"Covid 19 Virus (Corona) Since This is Related, My Take" on post #587129.

I thought I'd been redirected when I saw the name change in the thread. I'd never noticed you could rename it internally while posting.

So I changed it back to the OP's original name, "Covid 19 Virus (Corona)".

"Hyperbole" is better used when it's not about a current event that requires serious attention to actual details and facts.

i.e., saying that "everyone was at the party last night" is okay because people realize that "everyone" wasn't at the party. There were billions of people who weren't there.

Taking an international health crisis where the number of infected and dead are increasing by the minute and trivializing it with lies and misinformation is not only a bad idea, it's terribly irresponsible.

Hey, I had H1N1 and it was not hyped in any fashion.

3.5 weeks off work then I had to get 2 "all clear" diagnosis before I could go back to work.

Nasty thing. Please do not say or suggest it was hyped. You were just blessed if you knew no one who had it.

...Deb