The US was the most prepared country in the world for a pandemic? All I've read is how crappy we've been including here. I'm getting a little tired of it guys.
This is a serious situation, keep politics out of it.
Bob
Doesn't matter how prepared you are if the leader ignores the threat and goes golfing. And it is NOT about politics. But amusing you quote the ultimate politically biased "news" source!
hmmm is that what I said? Go reread what I typed please (typo’s and all if needed - my typing sucks, so be it)
I never “typed” or said (yet) it was a "Chinese" virus. I did type “…CHINA CAUSED EVENT…” (anyone not know what an ellipsis is?):
1) It originated in China (no fault of theirs, at least no proof anyway), and
2) China (i.e., the communist gov’t thereof) hid it from world for at least 2-3 weeks if not a full month or more. See the supplied links, I include them again so no one has to scroll back up. This thread has been sort of reduced to links to “the truth” – to web pages that never lie, are never altered in anyway, EVER, by anyone -(honest trust me I 'd never....) and all those links only include pure, unadulterated, and universal objective truth and it is as solid as the Ten Commandments, as given Moses on stone tables and written by the finger of the Almighty Himself! (how many PC infractions did I just incur? I don't care) Hence, my links are as good as the stone tables as well.
Having beat that dead horse some more, I must beat it a few more strokes. For context I said it before, I’ll say it again: no horse is ever so dead it can’t be beat some more.
After reading links and other sources (be my guest do more Googling) - do we reasonably agree it originated in China or not? Unless, of course, you have proof of other origins and patient zero locations. Maybe Mongolia, Vietnam (China and Vietnam are not really very friendly), Nepal, Canada (they never get credit for a good spy program)...?
Or maybe it is true, maybe the tin hat folks are right: it was created by USAMRIID or other U.S. Gov’t Lab maybe even evil BIG PHARMA (to cash in on the cures?) developed this strain and then Rambo, or Bourne or other black program operative or simply a lowly U.S. Army SOF operator(s), out of say of CENTCOM, went to wine & dine as a cover in Wuhan and sprinkled it around. Tell you what, I'll come out of retirement and I’ll personally look into all the unacknowledged codeword programs and get back to you on that one.
We are finally at the “dead horse beating" part: If it originated in China then by definition, and general English word construction, that really does make it a “Chinese” virus.
Compare English usage to other similar references: It’s not a “Japan” restaurant it is a “Japanese” restaurant; it’s not a “Turkey” restaurant (unless all they serve is turkey meat or they only serve meals to turkeys - LOL) it’s a “Turkish” restaurant; it’s not a “China” restaurant (unless we are in China or they only serve china plates, bowls, cups etc. – again LOL) it’s a “Chinese” restaurant.
Finally, one earlier viewer admonished me that I didn't need to visit this thread if I didn't find it useful, OK he was and is right! So I will see most of you on other posts here at the PG MUSIC forums, assuming you don't block me, but not here (have fun I guess)
To all be safe, be well, be healthy and go live life (or is that GET A LIFE).
Larry
Last edited by Larry Kehl; 03/24/2012:15 PM.
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I don't think there's any doubt the virus started in China.
The trouble with calling it the "Chinese Virus" is that it gives racists just another excuse to assault and harass Asians of all backgrounds for something they have nothing to do with.
I'm sure they are just as scared as the rest of us about this whole mess.
Thanks, Noel, for reminding "us" about the obvious. I love your even temper and measured response.
There's a deeply ingrained hubris in the American psyche that assumes every gathering is led by us. The US seems to have rather purposefully given up a role of leadership in the world, but not every American netizen has received the memo. Thanks for your forbearance as "we" deal with this character flaw.
As for the President? I am with most of the rest of the world in saying that he holds no active place in my mind and daily thoughts. I like it that way. That's the way I've lived most of my life--without a single thought about Donald Trump. Neither "yeah" nor "nay". Just absence. Beyond that, when prompted to have a thought he occupies, he gave up access to my soul long before he was elected. How I long for those happy days again.
Do the best you can, everybody. You don't need me to tell you that, because you will.
"Trump says there will be 'suicides by the thousands' if the US coronavirus shutdown continues"
"As countries around the world lock down to prevent the spread of the virus, President Donald Trump is pushing for Americans to return to work.
"We have to put the country to work," he said on Fox News Tuesday, warning that if the economy suffers, there will be "suicides by the thousands."
During a Monday evening press briefing, Trump said that deaths caused by a poor economy "definitely would be in far greater numbers than the numbers that we're talking about with regard to the virus."
And some people wonder why Trump is getting called out by so many Americans. This is appalling.
Calling criticism of him "politics" is BS folks. He is fumbling his way through so many things that affect the survival of millions and the only thing he cares about is how everything affects him.
Why Trump's call to restart the economy in April is being derided as 'totally nuts'
The virtual shutdown of the U.S. economy is barely a week old, yet the debate over when to restart is already in full swing — even as coronavirus cases surge.
The coronavirus pandemic has infected nearly 400,000 people worldwide. With over a dozen U.S. states ordering citizens to remain indoors and shutting down establishments deemed non-essential, economists think the world’s largest economy has already been thrust into a deep recession.
The nearly $2 trillion stimulus package being hammered out in Washington is meant to help stave off the mounting economic carnage, but millions of jobs are still expected to be lost in the coming weeks.
The damage — both economic and political — has stoked a widening debate over when the U.S. can return to a semblance of normalcy. With his re-election chances likely to be defined by a recovery from the crisis, President Donald Trump on Tuesday called for the economy to be restarted by April 12.
“You’re basically turning off the country…that’s never been done before,” Trump told a Fox News town hall.
“Its been very painful for our country. It’s been very destabilizing for our country…but we have to go back to work,” the president added.
‘Totally nuts’ Yet public health experts and Wall Street economists are pushing back against the suggestion that the U.S. economy can restart in a matter of weeks, warning about the risks posed if infections continue to surge. There are now nearly 50,000 domestic COVID-19 cases, with New York considered an epicenter of new infections.
“The experience with China has been you shut down everything for 2-3 months, the number of [new] cases goes to zero, and then you restore economic activity gradually, and that’s the right thing to do,” economist Nouriel “Dr. Doom” Roubini told Yahoo Finance in an interview on Tuesday.
However, Roubini warned that accelerating that timetable would be a recipe for disaster — arguing that the U.S.’s caseload could easily top 500,000 within a month given the rapidly accelerating infection rate.
“This idea we’re going to restart everything soon enough in a week or so is totally nuts,” the famed economist said. “It’s the worst thing you can do, it’s going to be a nightmare and it’s going to imply that [the U.S.] ends up into a depression.”
He added: “Think about what’s going to happen to this economy if you don’t shut down everything for a month or two, whatever it takes, to stop this contagion.”
Well here in South Africa we are now entering a 21 day lockdown from Friday. Only Supermarkets/pharmacies/healthcare will remain open.
People are going nuts. They are panic buying, standing/shopping shoulder to shoulder! They seem to think if they don't look you in the eye then then they won't get it or give it...
It is actually surrealistic ...
Our infection rate is now starting to spike..
I think its going to get worse before it will get better.
It feels like War of the World's Red Weed that is spreading. I wonder where the Aliens actually landed first , Wuhan?
I'm doing allright for Country Trash ....
I used to care, but things have changed (Bob Dylan)
The question when to put everybody back to work is the 800 pound gorilla. What is the timeline? What should it be? What could it be? "The cure is worse than the disease" is a legitimate point to raise.
This is a real debate that is going on right now. This 2T stimulus package is designed to cover a portion of workers paychecks for 4 months. In addition to that $1,200 to each individual making less than 75K. All that does is move this thing from being a total catastrophe to a mere standard disaster.
People are being trained to be very careful now, we all can see it. The behavior is slowly being ingrained into everybody, some more than others. I'm in LA and do taxes. I work from home and the office. The building is only open to tenants with electronic security cards. Swipe to open the door and again to use the elevator. In the office we're all staying apart, lots of sanitizer and wipes. I use fresh paper towels from the mens room to open the door to anywhere then wash my hands all the time.
I'm pretty sure everybody in the country is doing the same thing now. Give it a few more weeks for this safety training to become even more ingrained and I think it will be safe enough for everyone to get back to work. Imagine an office with say 50 people in cubicles and a few are sloppy with this. Trust me the others will come down on them hard and if they don't they'll get sent home.
When I say "safe enough" I'm not saying as safe as it was before, I mean the risk while still there is manageable. Obviously we're not there yet but another 3 to 5 weeks we could be.
Bottom line we can probably agree next week is too soon and year end is too long because if we stay in lockdown until Christmas that would be an economic catastrophe this country has never seen before. Any nation's national security is based on it's economy. The question then is at what time between next week and Christmas do we get back to work?
Don't ridicule the President for talking about that.
We're obviously coming at this from different viewpoints, and that is perfectly okay.
It appears that you have some confidence in Trump to try to do the right thing. That must be a pretty good feeling.
I have absolutely NO confidence in Trump to even try to the right thing. That's not a good feeling. I honestly believe the only person he cares about is himself. Everything else is just a political calculation about what might help him get re-elected.
I'm not naive enough to believe that politicians don't make calculations like that all the time. This the only time I've ever even suspected that a sitting president couldn't possibly care less about this country and its people beyond what they could do for him.
"The cure is worse than the disease" is a legitimate point to raise.
Legitmate point?? It's a stinking platitude! Which is the most offensive ignorant misinformed piece of crap platitude I have ever heard. Period. It's disgusting mentally ill fascist talk from an ignoramus and cohorts who values money and adoration over all else and are more concerned about an upcoming election than public health. Makes me want to puke.
The disease being referred to in this case is literally DEATH - there is nothing worse than death where death can be preventable. This is not just an old people's problem. 48% of the deaths in this country are people under fifty.
This is not about a senseless outrageous slogan a politician made up. The only legitimate point is life and death.
"The cure is worse than the disease" is a legitimate point to raise.
Legitmate point?? It's a stinking platitude! Which is the most offensive ignorant misinformed piece of crap platitude I have ever heard. Period. It's disgusting mentally ill fascist talk from an ignoramus and cohorts who values money and adoration over all else and are more concerned about an upcoming election than public health. Makes me want to puke.
The disease being referred to in this case is literally DEATH - there is nothing worse than death where death can be preventable. This is not just an old people's problem. 48% of the deaths in this country are people under fifty.
This is not about a senseless outrageous slogan a politician made up. The only legitimate point is life and death.
Its good to hear from you Sundance. Take care and be safe.
"The cure is worse than the disease" is a legitimate point to raise.
Legitmate point?? It's a stinking platitude! Which is the most offensive ignorant misinformed piece of crap platitude I have ever heard. Period. It's disgusting mentally ill fascist talk from an ignoramus and cohorts who values money and adoration over all else and are more concerned about an upcoming election than public health. Makes me want to puke.
The disease being referred to in this case is literally DEATH - there is nothing worse than death where death can be preventable. This is not just an old people's problem. 48% of the deaths in this country are people under fifty.
This is not about a senseless outrageous slogan a politician made up. The only legitimate point is life and death.
I'm talking the big picture. Everybody understands medical triage. I'm talking about economic triage.
Are you willing to throw this country's and the entire world's economy's into total ruin over a virus that has a better than a 99% survival rate? Just like in an ER, sometimes difficult decisions must be made and some will die including me because I'm 74. That doesn't change the calculation. Doesn't matter if anyone believes Trumps motives, the question about how long to stay locked down remains.
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