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This may be a stupid question, but I am a beginner when it comes to writing notes in BIAB or anywhere else for that matter LOL.
I transcribed the melody of a song and wrote it down in BIAB... At the time, I figured the tempo was 113... so I filled almost 110 Bars of melody. (BTW, I had imported the audo file into BIAB's Audio track... so I can loop it while I transcribe it.)
Then, I realized the tempo should actually be 70... and wanted to redo the project from scratch in RB and build each track of the other instruments separately, as I can't find a style that is close to the original song...
Anyway,
1. I asked BIAB to make a MIDI file of the Melody track (and saved it..)
2. I have RB set at 70 tempo... (and now I figure there will be a lot less bars needed for the song.)
3. I imported the midi file into RB
4. The problem is, the imported melody is now playing VERY Slowly (Tempo 70).... Obviously, there should be more notes per bar than what I have when I wrote the song in 113 speed..
5. How can I revise the notes to fit the new tempo instead of re-writing the whole thing over again...??
Is there an easy trick?
Thanks
Dick
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Hi Dick,
I think what's happening is that quarter notes that used to sound ok at the 113 tempo are draaaaaaging now at 70. You need to double (or half?) time your piece. In other words, what used to be quarter notes need to be eighth notes. I can't remember off hand but I think there is an option to do that. I know there is when you change styles so there must be one somewhere. If you can't find one, or if there isn't, it's good practice anyway to write stuff out and get proficient at it at your stage of the journey. I'm sure someone else here can help you more than I can with this. Hopefully they'll step up and give you a hand.
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Lee, Lee, Lee... You're killing me! LOL.
BTW, your last post was your Post #911... Congrats! ;-)
Anyway, halving 113... still won't give me 70...
I think I'll wait a little longer and see what others have to say, before I start re-writing...
BTW, This is ALL your fault. LOL.
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haha............yeah, but that's the only way you can break down the notes. Slowing the tempo down gives each note a longer duration, agreed? Apparently, slowing the tempo from 113 down to 70 has made the duration of each note so long that it doesn't sound right already. Let's say, and I'm assuming the song is in 4/4 (4 beats per measure), that the first two measures of your melody is quarter note, quarter note, quarter note, quarter note for the first measure, and quarter note, quarter note, quarter note, quarter note for the second measure. The melody sounded right at 113, but now drags on at 70. What you need to do is combine two measures into one. But now in your first measure, you've got 8 quarter notes. To keep the song in 4/4, you need to change each quarter note into an eighth note. Now you have eight eighth notes in that first measure. You have half the measures, but the same melody. You can extrapolate from there. OK, I'm tired of thinking already. Gonna go play my guitar. 
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Is this a song we'd know? Like standard repetorire. Remember most of the Yanks don't know When the Ice Worms nest again, The Rodeo song, The wreck of the Julie Plant, Barett's Privateers, but I do. And I know most jazz standards, American Song Book stuff, often can tell you the right key etc. off the top of old baldy. (That's my head).
Did you try just slowing the tempo by 10% each time and see what happens?
I think we need some more Stompin' Tom to offset the cultural effect. If yer C aRE tee Cee finds out that were not posting 2 canuck songs for each yank one ye old website might be forced to move south and pay congressmen unlimited cash.
I am sure they'd be shocked to the south to find out unions, associations and corporations cannot give money to politicians or political parties, and that the max. a person can give is $1100. per year. I gotta make a Stompin Tom satire song on that sometime, I used to do the Mark Russell imitation show at the Press Club once a month, but got bored with it.
Maybe if you put a new cable on the Ketron that's twice as long as the other the sound will go slower? That's what Red Green told me. Need Duct Tape give me a call.
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John, you should give up music and become a full-time stand-up comedian LOL! The song I am trying to transcribe/duplicate is non other than "One for the Guitar Player" written by our famous brother here on the Forums: Lee Muller. LOL. http://www.garageband.com/song?|pe1|S8LTM0LdsaSnZlmwZmg I need to find the chords, the matching style, and the tempo... Lee has lost the old BIAB tracks he created, and I want to re-create something as close as possible to it so I can play the guitar solo part... I keep starting and giving up each time... but then I keep coming back to it... as a beginner, I am finding this a LOT HARDER than I originally thought it would be. I am also having a hell of a time with BIAB's Chord Wizard, which is giving me numerous different tempos for each bar, and to me, non of them seem to be remotely close... If anyone wants to participate/help, I would really appreciate. So far, I have the melody, but even that is not perfect... as it looks like Lee has added a couple of parts for the bridge too, all mixed up with the melody. LOL.
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I am also having a hell of a time with BIAB's Chord Wizard, which is giving me numerous different tempos for each bar, and to me, non of them seem to be remotely close...
If you haven't already, you need to get familiar with the F8 key. Be sure to set bar one first, so it knows where the song starts, and then while the song is playing, you hit F8 on the first beat of each bar. That should match the bars up with the song and allow for a more accurate chord progression rendering.
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Hi John.... I've tried that already, but still not good. You may want to try it yourself with this song and see if I am right or am I misssing something...
Dick
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Hi Dick,
I'm not very good at explaining things so I'll just tell you what I did and hope it helps, ok.
Here are my steps to get a playable song, altho it may not be exactly what you're looking for.
I downloaded the mp3, and opened it in the audio chord wizard, hit play, and watched the bar lines as I listened for 3 or 4 measures, hit stop, then play and listened again. I then placed the cursor over the red triangle of the first bar marker and the cursor changed to a move icon. I pressed and held left button and moved the marker slightly to the right. Now, at the top of the beat marker that I aligned with, I had a little flag that read 70.451. Then I moved to the second bar marker, grabbed it and moved it quite a bit to the right, to where bar two actually started and released it. now at the top of the beat line that I aligned it with I had a flag that read 69.961. I then hit play, and noticed that the measures were lining up pretty well for the first several measures at least, So I clicked of the first bar marker and hit f6. I then listened to the first few measures again and set tonic to G, then sent the whole mess to biab, and I DID NOT make a beatmap, and checked enable styles.
I then hit style, selected jazz ballads, then selected _J085gas Vint Jazz Ballad Quartet, hit play, and viola, I had two neat tunes, one from Lee, and a nice variation from biab. Ain't biab grand? :>)
btw, altho all the measure markers were reading between 69.xxx to 70.xxx the average beat was given as 74.9xx. This went into biab as 75 bpm, and sounded really, really good.
And by the way--and this is to Lee---Great tune and well played.
Later
Jim
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I forgot the last part of what I wanted to post. lol
to continue telling what I did.
I then muted combo (which muted all biab trks) and unmuted the audio track and opened the edible notation window. altho it didn't track perfectly, I think it was close enough that you could transcribe the melody line. (I could be wrong about that, lol).
Anyways, I hope the part that helps you with the wizard is about grabbing the bar lines and moving them to align with the more accurate beat lines that reflect where the measure truly starts. When they are truly accurate, you can listen to the bass, and you can see that the 2, 3,and 4 lines are accurate as well. Hope this helps.
Later
Jim
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Thank you Jim. No wonder I wasn't getting any good results at first. I will try again using your instructions for ACW. I have actually started a from fresh using 70 as tempo... I thought that was pretty close.. but maybe 75 is closer as you said... I will check.
meanwhile, I have been slowly re-writing the melody notes again... LOL.
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Hi Dick
Theres no easy way to do what you are trying there are musicians who have the gift to transcribe any music
i have tried for many years getting the melodies and chords to King Oliver tunes and i have not done one yet if
you have a midi file there are programs and PGMusic that can do it but now there is a program that has just come
out called Melodyne which will work like the midi tunes and you will have much success with Audio ,sad part is it,s
exspensive,when you are learning a program like BIAB you have started at the most difficult end,anyway good luck
and i hope you have success
regards Dave Hoskins
I always play the right notes but not always in the right order
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