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I thought this is a humorous and easily understood way to advise Floridians of social distancing;

"A Florida county is reminding people to maintain a distance of at least one alligator between each other"

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/04/us/social-distancing-florida-alligator-trnd/index.html

Now that is very clever. A lot of people around here are not practicing social distancing. Stores are starting to limit the number of people they will allow in them. That is a good idea.

When will people learn?

Here's a very interesting vid from a lady with a PhD and she raises some very good points:



One thing bothers me though and it's when she said "If all these people had COVID 19 last winter, we know some would have been hospitalized and some would have died. Where's the bodies?" Exactly the question I posed about California in this thread March 14, three weeks ago. I just checked to find out where did the most Chinese visitors land in the US. Here's the answer:

China recorded an all-time high 1.2 million visitors, making Los Angeles the number one ranked U.S. city for Chinese travelers (6.9 percent increase, the largest net gain among all international markets).

This is exactly what that article posted earlier in this thread said. If this is so contagious and LAX is incredibly crowded in the international arrivals area, where were the bodies? I go to Mexico one to two times a year and I have been stuck in arrivals occasionally for TWO HOURS because a 747 or A380 dumped 400-500 passengers in front of me just before I got to Customs. If there was any virus running around there January-March which is peak travel to Mexican resorts, LA should have been swamped with cases. People say, well we didn't know because nobody got tested. Fine, but my point then and still is now and it's exactly what she just said, were were the bodies? People that sick would have gone to the ER's, been admitted and some would have died. To simply prorate the Chinese visitor numbers equally 1.2 million is 100,000 a month so that's thousands of Chinese visitors in January until travel was closed just through LAX alone. If you go back to November then it's about 300,000. LA should have predated New York, not be following it.

I don't know just what to make of this. On the one hand the prior article quotes Italian and other sources suspecting the virus was in fact around last fall but this lady makes a pretty good point that didn't happen by saying "where's the bodies?" In CA with all the Chinese visitors, same question. LA County with 10 million people as of yesterday has 5,277 cases. They have been going up and many thousands of test kits are waiting for the lab work so that number is surely going up. But, we're talking 10 million people, those numbers are tiny even if they jump to 50,000. My friends and myself have been calling it the California Mystery. We really should have been leading the country in cases with 100,000 visitors just through LAX and about 180,000 monthly to CA as a whole.

Bob

Bob,

You've obviously put a lot more thought into this than I have so bear with me on this.

The first thing that comes to me is how dense is the population of the city of LA vs NY City?

Based on Bing numbers:

Los Angeles
4.06 million by 1st July of 2020
Land Area: 468.67 square miles
8,662 people per sq. mi.

New York City
8.54 million (2016)
Land Area: 468.90 square miles
18,212 people per sq. mi.

The people in NY are packed in there like rats so the chance for infection is much greater. Even though the streets look empty supposedly the subways are still packed.

If I missed your point, (besides where are the bodies ?), then I guess I did all of that "cyphering" for nothing. LOL

I hope your numbers stay lower than expected.

Take care.

I get it, the density was the first thing I thought too. Still, international arrivals at LAX is comparable to a NY subway at rush hour, you're standing shoulder to shoulder with 400 of your closest friends, it's like waiting in line at Space Mountain. LAX is right up there as one of the busiest airports in the world. New York City at 8 million people has 122K cases and LA County with 10 million has 5,200? That just doesn't make any sense to me but we'll all find out soon enough.

To be clear though, this is just an intellectual exercise, I'm just as paranoid as anybody here in this forum. Clean, clean and more clean. My grandmother must be smiling down on me, her house was spotless while mine was surely not but it's a whole lot better now I'll tell you. It's supposed to be pouring down rain soon and last four days. I need to do some shopping so I'm thinking of going tomorrow, maybe less people. Funny how our minds work now.

Bob

And, speaking of subways while striving to keep this light...

It was two AM and Michael O'Reilly had just closed Murphy's Pub and was unsteadily wending his way to the underground escalator when suddenly confronted by a huge sign: "Dogs must be carried on the escalator! ABSOLUTELY NO EXCEPTIONS!"

Michael bemoaned: "And just where, pray tell, is a bloke t'be findin' a dog at this unholy hour?"

Bob, I have read where the sun and higher temperatures can kill or at least cause fewer problems. Could it be the in CA the sun shines a lot and it is warn there? Here in NY it is gray most of the time and colder, in fact where I am it has been gray for three days and the temperature never got over 55°F.

Just a guess on my part.

I know, so many plausible guesses, so few hard facts. Here's a quote from a new article I just now read and it's exactly on point to what I wrote earlier today:

About 430,000 people have flown on direct flights from China to the United States since Chinese officials first disclosed the outbreak of what is now the novel coronavirus to world health officials on New Year’s Eve, according to a new report published Saturday.

Most of the travelers flew into airports in Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York, Chicago, Seattle, Newark and Detroit in January. Thousands came directly from the city of Wuhan in the Chinese Hubei province, where the coronavirus originated, the New York Times reported.

If this is as contagious as everybody says it explains all these areas mentioned except California. An unusual glut of deaths in CA would not have gone unnoticed. Maybe it is the sun although it's been a 50/50 combination of sunny and cloudy/rainy the last few weeks.

I sure hope we get a handle on this fairly soon, the idea if this being the new normal for a year or more is simply intolerable. For one thing, we all gonna start looking like Grizzly Adams. Although you already do Mario, haha.

Bob

Well, that did give me something to chuckle about...

Mario, I'm sorry!!! Seriously I am and I sincerely apologise. I chuckled a bit, too, when I read Bob's post. It took me by surprise.

Regards,
Noel

That's a good one.

I think I just blow my warm weather theory out the window as I just saw on the news that New Orleans may be the next epic center. I know they are warm and humid.

No need to apologize my friend. I even chucked at it as it was a good one!

Yeah, it's looking pretty hot on the national map right now.....

John Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center Map

Here's a great tip I just found.

Put a gallon of dishwashing soap and a gallon of bleach in your washing machine and run it for 10 minutes.

It will disinfect your whole house...

What about running most of the Grocery shop under the tap, as lot of it must have been handled by countless people before it reaches the shopper?

I know that neither hot nor cold water will dissolve the virus, but maybe it can wash it off, which is a lot better than handling some milk or food package with the virus on it.

May sound like an Over The Top thing to do, but its a crazy and dangerous world we are living in at the moment.

We do that clean everything coming in to the house even parcel deliveries and letters opened with rubber gloves dealt with then thrown out.

That's the British prime minister Boris Johnson in Intensive care unit, worrying times indeed. Stay in Stay safe..!

I'm not at all surprised about this one. It's one thing to offer your "spin" on the news and current events. It's an entirely different thing to misinform the public about something that could cause them or members of their family to get sick or even die.

"Fox News Is Preparing to Be Sued Over Coronavirus Misinformation"

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/04/fox-news-prepares-coronavirus-misinformation-lawsuits

They already know they "screwed the pooch" on this one.

If people start suing news media over "It's an entirely different thing to misinform the public about something that could cause them or members of their family to get sick or even die." there could be a ton of lawsuits flying around.

I totally agree with you about the concept of misinforming the public like that but if Fox is going to get sued then CNN, MSNBC, etc, would be next. I have seen them and even our local news give misinformation about this virus. I just hope we all don't go sue happy as we have more important things to worry about right now. YMMV

Mario,

I totally agree with you about people looking to sue someone for their misfortunes.

So far, I haven't seen anything about NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC or CNN preparing for lawsuits because they know for a fact they misinformed the public about an International health pandemic.

And that is because they did NOT misinform the way Fox did. The "everyone does it" defense is nonsense.