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I got a quite long boot time of about 15 seconds on one of my 2 computers running Bb 2020 (On the other PC Bb just boots in less than 6 seconds).

The BootupLog.txt file shows that the "Maxplugins" function takes more than 10 seconds to complete:

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MaxPlugins.MaybeShowWarningMessage [08/04/2020 19:05:36] [ms since LogStart(boot)= 12,829 ], since last LogThis function = 10,553


What could possibly be the cause for this? I've tried different things like uninstalling DX plugins, but to no avail.

Any idea?


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Can you copy the contents of C:\bb\Data\Logs\PluginScanLog.log and post it here?


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Try white listing or excluding the BIAB executable from you AV to keep it from jumping in each time it starts - just an idea.


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Originally Posted By: Blake - PG Music
Can you copy the contents of C:\bb\Data\Logs\PluginScanLog.log and post it here?


Here we go Blake:
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Plugin Scan Log

Calling Windows FFilterMapper2.EnumMatchingFilters...
... Windows FFilterMapper2.EnumMatchingFilters succeeded

Counting candidate plugins in the Enum...
Counting plugin GUID {6A08CF80-0E18-11CF-A24D-0020AFD79767} ...
FriendlyName = ACM Wrapper
Counting plugin GUID {E9AFF214-D315-4EC0-A6E7-6C73511C5D21} ...
FriendlyName = PG Click and Pop Remover
Counting plugin GUID {EE521163-7F20-49F0-A6DB-3BF438397691} ...
FriendlyName = PG Dynamics
Counting plugin GUID {F8388A40-D5BB-11D0-BE5A-0080C706568E} ...
FriendlyName = Infinite Pin Tee Filter
Counting plugin GUID {00000000-0F56-11D2-9887-00A0C969725B} ...
FriendlyName = ExpressFX Chorus
Counting plugin GUID {00000001-0F56-11D2-9887-00A0C969725B} ...
FriendlyName = ExpressFX Delay
Counting plugin GUID {00000002-0F56-11D2-9887-00A0C969725B} ...
FriendlyName = ExpressFX Distortion
Counting plugin GUID {00000003-0F56-11D2-9887-00A0C969725B} ...
FriendlyName = ExpressFX Equalization
Counting plugin GUID {00000004-0F56-11D2-9887-00A0C969725B} ...
FriendlyName = ExpressFX Flange/Wah-Wah
Counting plugin GUID {00000005-0F56-11D2-9887-00A0C969725B} ...
FriendlyName = ExpressFX Amplitude Modulation
Counting plugin GUID {00000006-0F56-11D2-9887-00A0C969725B} ...
FriendlyName = ExpressFX Reverb
Counting plugin GUID {00000007-0F56-11D2-9887-00A0C969725B} ...
FriendlyName = ExpressFX Stutter
Counting plugin GUID {00000008-0F56-11D2-9887-00A0C969725B} ...
FriendlyName = ExpressFX Dynamics
Counting plugin GUID {00000009-0F56-11D2-9887-00A0C969725B} ...
FriendlyName = ExpressFX Graphic EQ
Counting plugin GUID {0000000A-0F56-11D2-9887-00A0C969725B} ...
FriendlyName = ExpressFX Noise Gate
Counting plugin GUID {0000000B-0F56-11D2-9887-00A0C969725B} ...
FriendlyName = ExpressFX Time Stretch
Counting plugin GUID {0000000C-0F56-11D2-9887-00A0C969725B} ...
FriendlyName = ExpressFX Audio Restoration
Counting plugin GUID {026D0AA0-9BB9-11D0-AEBC-00A0C9053912} ...
FriendlyName = Multi-Band Dynamics
Counting plugin GUID {23C9F225-40EC-11D2-9D36-00C04F8EDC1E} ...
FriendlyName = Track Compressor
Counting plugin GUID {260DF3E1-AC77-11D2-9E93-00C04F68BE44} ...
FriendlyName = Dither
Counting plugin GUID {28D9F1E0-6ECC-11D0-AEBC-00A0C9053912} ...
FriendlyName = Chorus
Counting plugin GUID {39224540-6F92-11D0-AEBC-00A0C9053912} ...
FriendlyName = Distortion
Counting plugin GUID {3F901A20-79BE-11D0-AEBC-00A0C9053912} ...
FriendlyName = Gapper/Snipper
Counting plugin GUID {54F29260-79B1-11D0-AEBC-00A0C9053912} ...
FriendlyName = Simple Delay
Counting plugin GUID {607682E0-6E21-11D0-AEBC-00A0C9053912} ...
FriendlyName = Reverb
Counting plugin GUID {7298A3E0-78EE-11D0-AEBC-00A0C9053912} ...
FriendlyName = Multi-Tap Delay
Counting plugin GUID {869419DD-501F-11D3-8CDC-00C04F6B8E4C} ...
FriendlyName = Track Noise Gate
Counting plugin GUID {8B7226EE-4584-11D1-B4CB-00A0C9270A10} ...
FriendlyName = Graphic EQ
Counting plugin GUID {8CB69A0A-10E8-11D2-9B89-00104B8D13C2} ...
FriendlyName = Track EQ
Counting plugin GUID {9E3E4540-8339-11D0-AEBC-00A0C9053912} ...
FriendlyName = Smooth/Enhance
Counting plugin GUID {A6A78627-D619-48BF-AD26-0C6B44B5C7D8} ...
FriendlyName = Resonant Filter
Counting plugin GUID {A8448720-96FD-11D0-AEBC-00A0C9053912} ...
FriendlyName = Parametric EQ
Counting plugin GUID {B97C0F22-196D-11D1-B99B-00A0C9053912} ...
FriendlyName = Time Stretch
Counting plugin GUID {B97C0F23-196D-11D1-B99B-00A0C9053912} ...
FriendlyName = Noise Gate
Counting plugin GUID {D616F3E0-D622-11CE-AAC5-0020AF0B99A3} ...
FriendlyName = Paragraphic EQ
Counting plugin GUID {D6802BA0-A056-11D0-AEBC-00A0C9053912} ...
FriendlyName = Vibrato
Counting plugin GUID {EB6213DB-08FF-4510-9F8D-3058B0ECE4C6} ...
FriendlyName = Pan
Counting plugin GUID {ED1B4100-93BE-11D0-AEBC-00A0C9053912} ...
FriendlyName = Pitch Shift
Counting plugin GUID {EE38CA88-D78E-4BFB-B05E-577892730C83} ...
FriendlyName = Volume
Counting plugin GUID {F09F6980-7845-11D0-AEBC-00A0C9053912} ...
FriendlyName = Flange/Wah-wah
Counting plugin GUID {F3B8E880-B4E0-11D0-AEBC-00A0C9053912} ...
FriendlyName = Graphic Dynamics
Counting plugin GUID {FDB0D300-6F82-11D0-AEBC-00A0C9053912} ...
FriendlyName = Amplitude Modulation
Counting plugin GUID {17CCA71B-ECD7-11D0-B908-00A0C9223196} ...
FriendlyName = Convertisseur en T/site-à-site
Counting plugin GUID {17CCA71B-ECD7-11D0-B908-00A0C9223196} ...
FriendlyName = Convertisseur en T/site-à-site
Counting plugin GUID {005FE3F8-1F86-437B-B98F-0A4FDD62C085} ...
FriendlyName = PG Five Band EQ
Counting plugin GUID {025FB77D-234B-48AA-A144-3E319BCF49F2} ...
FriendlyName = PG Distortion
Counting plugin GUID {2E2973E2-D3C3-43E3-842D-8B9E3165EF65} ...
FriendlyName = PG RTA
Counting plugin GUID {47397F9D-A460-4543-8287-F5EBD5F67C09} ...
FriendlyName = PG Guitar Amp
Counting plugin GUID {49BEE1AA-A415-4ABD-A984-8906043286D4} ...
FriendlyName = PG Flanger
Counting plugin GUID {4F58CE3B-C1C7-4A6A-97E8-6E66F46862F0} ...
FriendlyName = PG AutoWah
Counting plugin GUID {8010C341-6D4C-4390-B828-E4D246C3DDB2} ...
FriendlyName = VEGAS Wave Hammer Surround
Counting plugin GUID {9C5EB07B-D7E0-4D77-A9BF-018452F93B03} ...
FriendlyName = PG Reverb
Counting plugin GUID {9D441A77-7E63-4E02-8E57-BD944BBF524D} ...
FriendlyName = PG RingMod
Counting plugin GUID {A31E61FC-DB09-429F-9B69-1E5A2BFC61EB} ...
FriendlyName = PG PeakLimit
Counting plugin GUID {B1669C16-3A3D-4F07-A699-EFCA69B9DDD3} ...
FriendlyName = PG Echo Chorus
Counting plugin GUID {C1F400A0-3F08-11D3-9F0B-006008039E37} ...
FriendlyName = SampleGrabber
Counted 56 plugins successfully.
... 56 candidate plugins were counted.

If the number of plugins did not change since the last successful scan, this is an error-free end of the log.

----------------------------------------------------


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What are the hardware spefications of the slower computer?


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Originally Posted By: Noel96
What are the hardware spefications of the slower computer?


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Originally Posted By: MusicStudent
Try white listing or excluding the BIAB executable from you AV to keep it from jumping in each time it starts - just an idea.


Thanks MusicStudent, tried that already but no luck with it


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Other things I've also tried:

- Disabling all DX plugins using "InstalledCodec" from Nirsoft
- Renaming / Recreating 'Preferences' folder
- Tried switching to MME / WAS instead of ASIO audio driver (My soundcard is a Steinberg UR12)
- Applied last Bb Patch (build 715)

Still no luck ;(

Nevertheless after this long boot time Bb seems to behave normally...


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Originally Posted By: Melody_Maker
Other things I've also tried:

- Disabling all DX plugins using "InstalledCodec" from Nirsoft
- Renaming / Recreating 'Preferences' folder
- Tried switching to MME / WAS instead of ASIO audio driver (My soundcard is a Steinberg UR12)
- Applied last Bb Patch (build 715)

Still no luck ;(

Nevertheless after this long boot time Bb seems to behave normally...


Have you tried disabling everything running in the background? Things like anti-virus, anti-malware, cCleaner, etc, as well as disabling your Ethernet card via the device manager?


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How about it you add the file safemode.txt to the Preferences folder to simulate factory settings?
Edit - Actually ignore that, I see you already tried it.

Does it make a difference if you add the file MaxPluginsToScan.txt to the bb folder, with a single line of text in it:
max=0

(Delete or rename this file after the test)

Also, does the slow bootup only happen if your computer has been idle for a while?


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Hello

Did you sort this issue?

I had something similar. BIAB (on external HDD) would take up to 5 minutes to start and it was driving me crazy. After much hair pulling I found the culprit. I had to (temporarily) disable real time protection on WIN 10. Once I did that it starts as you would expect. The only thing is - I need to remember to disable real time protection each time I go to use BIAB. Windows will prompt you to turn on real time protection again and I do that after I have finished my session with BIAB.

Your problem might be different but this just may work for you too.

Thanks

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Thanks Bredan,
Actually, Windows Defender is not even active on my PC...


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Originally Posted By: Andrew - PG Music
Does it make a difference if you add the file MaxPluginsToScan.txt to the bb folder, with a single line of text in it:
max=0

(Delete or rename this file after the test)

Also, does the slow bootup only happen if your computer has been idle for a while?


Thanks for your suggestions Andrew!

Having the MaxPluginsToScan.txt (with the one line you've suggested) in the bb folder does not change anything.

And, no, this problem does not happen when my computer has been idle for a while...


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Yes MarioD, I did all that before posting...


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I haven't read through all the posts so this may have already been mentioned. Just in case, though...

Have you checked that enable fast boot-ups is active?

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Yes, that's also a good one Noel. But 'Fast bootups' is already 'on' on my system (by the way, ticking or not ticking this option doesn't seem to make much difference).

Thank all of you guys for all these suggestions:)


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A question, how much free space do you have on the drive(s) that contains BiaB, RDs and RTs?

An almost full HD can slow everything down.


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Originally Posted By: Andrew - PG Music
Does it make a difference if you add the file MaxPluginsToScan.txt to the bb folder, with a single line of text in it:
max=0

(Delete or rename this file after the test)

Also, does the slow bootup only happen if your computer has been idle for a while?


Thanks for your suggestions Andrew!

Having the MaxPluginsToScan.txt (with the one line you've suggested) in the bb folder does not change anything.

And, no, this problem does not happen when my computer has been idle for a while...


If you are using the 64bit version of Band-in-a-Box (most likely) the file name must be:
MaxPluginsToScan64.txt

This changed in 2019 since the 32bit version will scan for different plugins than the 64bit version. The PluginScanLog.log file should show that 0 plugins are scanned, or which ever number you put in it. For example, if you have "max=2" then your PluginScanLog.log file should show:

Counting plugin GUID {6A08CF80-0E18-11CF-A24D-0020AFD79767} ...
FriendlyName = ACM Wrapper
Counting plugin GUID {E9AFF214-D315-4EC0-A6E7-6C73511C5D21} ...
FriendlyName = PG Click and Pop Remover


This is a bit of tedious way to narrow down which plugin is slowing down the process, but it should work. Note that for the next update (build 716) the BootupLog.txt will show the time each plugin scan takes, so you can narrow it down faster.


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Originally Posted By: MarioD
A question, how much free space do you have on the drive(s) that contains BiaB, RDs and RTs?

An almost full HD can slow everything down.

You're right Mario, but I still have plenty of HD space on the drive on which I'm running Bb (more than 200 Go in fact)...

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Originally Posted By: Blake - PG Music


If you are using the 64bit version of Band-in-a-Box (most likely) the file name must be:
MaxPluginsToScan64.txt

This changed in 2019 since the 32bit version will scan for different plugins than the 64bit version. The PluginScanLog.log file should show that 0 plugins are scanned, or which ever number you put in it. For example, if you have "max=2" then your PluginScanLog.log file should show:

Counting plugin GUID {6A08CF80-0E18-11CF-A24D-0020AFD79767} ...
FriendlyName = ACM Wrapper
Counting plugin GUID {E9AFF214-D315-4EC0-A6E7-6C73511C5D21} ...
FriendlyName = PG Click and Pop Remover


This is a bit of tedious way to narrow down which plugin is slowing down the process, but it should work. Note that for the next update (build 716) the BootupLog.txt will show the time each plugin scan takes, so you can narrow it down faster.


Thank you Blake,

I'm using the 64bit version of Bb, but having the file MaxPluginsToScan64.txt in the Bb folder does not seem to affect the number of plugins loaded...

Even curioser, that MaxPluginsToScan64.txt file is automatically deleted when Bb boots up whereas the PluginScanLog.log file still lists the same number of plugins loaded.

Maybe will I have to wait for build 716 to have my problem sorted. BTW, this new feature will be helpful in my case!


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Our new jazz, funk & blues RealTracks include a groovin’ collection of RealTracks and RealDrums! These include more requested “soul jazz” RealTracks featuring artists Neil Swainson (bass), Charles Treadway (organ), Brent Mason (guitar), and Wes Little (drums). There are new “smooth jazz” styles (4), which include a RealTracks first: muted trumpet, as well as slick new smooth jazz brushes options for drums. Blues lovers will be thrilled—there are more “classic acoustic blues” styles, including guitar (5), bass (4), and drums (10) with blues master Colin Linden, featuring understated and tasty background acoustic soloing, plus brushes drums and acoustic bass. There are also new electric blues RealTracks, including electric blues with PG favorite Johnny Hiland (3) and soulful electric slide guitar from Colin Linden (4). If you love funk & gospel, there are great new options this year, including gospel organ (3) from Charles Treadway, as well as new funk, tango, and rock ’n’ roll drums (3) and bass (1). And for big, bold arrangements, we have uptempo soul horns (4) featuring a three-part hip horn section with options for a full mix or stems of each individual horn — plus an accompanying rhythm section (4) of drums, bass, guitar, and electric piano!

Rock & Pop (Sets 476–482):
Our new rock & pop RealTracks bring a powerful mix of requested favorites, fresh genres, and modern chart-inspired styles! We have more of our popular “Producer Layered Acoustic Guitars (15)” featuring Band-in-a-Box favorite Brent Mason. We’ve continued our much-requested disco styles (10), and added new Celtic guitar (5) with a more basic, accessible approach than our previous Drop-D or DADGAD offerings. There are also highly requested yacht rock styles (17), inspired by the smooth, polished soft-rock sound of the late ’70s and early ’80s — laid-back grooves, silky electric pianos, warm textures, elegant harmonic movement, and pristine production aesthetics. Fans of heavier styles will love our new glam metal (13), capturing the flashy, high-energy sound of ’80s arena-ready guitar rock. We also have a set of rootsy modern-folk rock (18), with a warm, organic sound combining contemporary folk textures and driving acoustic strumming. And we’ve added lots of new modern pop styles (16) — the kinds of sounds you’re hearing on the radio today, featuring exciting new drums, synths, and cutting-edge RealTracks arrangements.

Country, & Americana (Sets 483–488):
Our new country & Americana RealTracks deliver a rich collection of acoustic, electric, and roots-inspired styles! We have new country pop (9) with legendary guitarist Brent Mason. There is also a potpourri (14) of bouzouki, guitars, banjo, and more, perfect for adding texture and character to contemporary acoustic arrangements. We’ve added funky country guitar (5) with PG favorite Brent Mason, along with classic pedal steel styles (5) featuring steel great Doug Jernigan. There are more country songwriter styles (8) that provide intimate, rootsy foundations for storytelling and modern Americana writing. Finally, we have “background soloing” acoustic guitar (12) with Brent Mason — simpler, but still very tasty acoustic lines designed to sit beautifully behind vocals or act as a subtle standalone solo part.

Check out all the 202 new RealTracks (in sets 468-488)!

And, if you are looking for more, the 2026 49-PAK (for $49) includes an impressive collection of 20 bonus RealTracks, featuring exciting and inspiring additions to add to your RealTracks library. You'll get new country-rhythm guitar styles from PG Music favorites Johnny Hiland and Brent Mason, along with modern-pop grooves that capture today’s radio-ready sound! There are also new indie-folk styles with guitar, bass, 6-string bass used as a high-chording instrument, acoustic guitar, and banjo. Plus, dedicated "cymbal fills" RealDrums provide an added layer that work very well with low-key folky styles with other percussion.

The 2026 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2026 49-PAK!

2026 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!

With your version 2026 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons for FREE! Or upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!

These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!

This Free Bonus PAK includes:

  • The 2026 RealCombos Booster PAK: -For Pro customers, this includes 27 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles. -For MegaPAK customers, this includes 25 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles. -For UltraPAK customers, this includes 12 new RealStyles.
  • MIDI Styles Set 92: Look Ma! More MIDI 15: Latin Jazz
  • MIDI SuperTracks Set 46: Piano & Organ
  • Instrumental Studies Set 24: Groovin' Blues Soloing
  • Artist Performance Set 19: Songs with Vocals 9
  • Playable RealTracks Set 5
  • RealDrums Stems Set 9: Cool Brushes
  • SynthMaster Sounds Set 1 (with audio demos)
  • iOS Android Band-in-a-Box® App
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
  • 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyle.
  • FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
  • MIDI Styles Set 93: Look Ma! More MIDI 16: SynthMaster
  • MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
  • Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
  • Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
  • RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
  • SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)

Learn more about the Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!

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