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Say Goodbye #592990 04/19/20 10:31 AM User Showcase
Joined: Jul 2019 Posts: 103 R RichardB1985 OP Apprentice
OP RichardB1985 Apprentice R Joined: Jul 2019 Posts: 103	Say Goodbye I've spent more on virtual instruments than I care to admit since lockdown...but I suppose I can't spend money on much else at the minute I suppose it's probably the best time to do it! I also bought a new, much better, microphone but understandably it's going to be quite a while until it arrives so I've used an Amazon Basics one to record the vocals. This song came about as one of the virtual instruments had a great violin sound so I put together a nice violin bit and then built the BIAB RealTracks around it. I experimented a bit when arranging and mixing this. I'd definitely like a bit of feedback on mixing as I still struggle a little with it. People on here have been very helpful as I didn't have a clue about anything to do with mixing when I posted my first few songs. Style is _BOWE110.STY. Acoustic Guitar w/ Even Bow Bass All RealTracks. Quintet. Tempo=110 (85-140) Instruments: Ac.Bass, Ac.Guitar, Ac.Guitar, Ac.Guitar, Drums RD: NashvilleEven8^3-a:Sidestick, HiHat , b:Snare, HiHat Open :Brian Fullen RT2488: Bass, Acoustic, Bowed Held Ev 110 , Craig Nelson RT405: Guitar, Acoustic, Strumming Ev 120 , Jason Roller RT1677: Guitar, Acoustic, Fingerpicking CountryBrent Ev 120 , Brent Mason RT522: Guitar, Acoustic, Fingerpicking Ev 120 , Jason Roller I also added a midi piano supertrack - PopRootsyJohn. As well as putting together the violin midi and a little piano track as accompaniment for the supertrack. Lyrics To say that I Didn't expect this To happen Would be the understatement Of the year Sometimes things just Happen so quickly That you don't see them coming Till they're here I'm thinking of all the things That could have been different Even though I couldn't change a thing What can I do I know that I gotta accept it Even if I'm breaking down inside You might be gone but deep down My love will never die And I know I gotta say goodbye Maybe I'm still Stuck in denial And I think you're gonna Walk back through the door Maybe the signs were there And I didn't want to see them But that only hurts Even more I'm thinking of all the times that we had together Wishing that I could live them over again What can I do I know that I gotta accept it Even if I'm breaking down inside You might be gone but deep down My love will never die And I know I gotta say goodbye I'm thinking of all the times that we had together Wishing that I could live them over again What can I do I know that I gotta accept it Even if I'm breaking down inside You might be gone but deep down My love will never die And I know I gotta say goodbye What can I do I know that I gotta accept it Even if I'm breaking down inside You might be gone but deep down My love will never die And I know I gotta say goodbye What can I do I know that I gotta accept it Even if I'm breaking down inside You might be gone but deep down My love will never die And I know I gotta say goodbye What can I do I know that I gotta accept it Even if I'm breaking down inside You might be gone but deep down My love will never die And I know I gotta say goodbye And I know I gotta say goodbye Last edited by RichardB1985; 04/21/20 02:29 AM.

Re: Say Goodbye RichardB1985 #593002 04/19/20 11:04 AM User Showcase
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 24,704 Hamlin NY MarioD Veteran
MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 24,704 Hamlin NY	My only problem with the mix is that I think the vocal is way too much up front. Turn that down and I you will have a winner. Note that this is just my opinion and others may or may not agree. OK, a random thought; Why does toilet paper need a commercial? Who's not buying it? 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Say Goodbye RichardB1985 #593009 04/19/20 11:26 AM User Showcase
Joined: Apr 2016 Posts: 7,264 Cooran Queensland Australia rayc Veteran
rayc Veteran Joined: Apr 2016 Posts: 7,264 Cooran Queensland Australia	The strings need softening: that'd be some gentle reverb and roll off some top end in your EQ. The band sound fine and the arrangement is solid. You lyrics are good. You're out of tune enough to be singing a different song and sound like you've a cold which doesn't help. When you recover - retrack. Cheers rayc "What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe

Re: Say Goodbye RichardB1985 #593017 04/19/20 12:21 PM User Showcase
Joined: Jun 2016 Posts: 3,357 Robertkc Veteran
Robertkc Veteran Joined: Jun 2016 Posts: 3,357	Richard, I hear a good melody and like the strings/acoustic guitar opening. Being on the cusp of out of tune can sound good on a rock song ( think Joy Division), but,though RayC is a little harsh in his comments above,I tend to agree: to do the song justice a vocal redo is a good idea. Let`s hear this again with the new microphone! Robert

Re: Say Goodbye RichardB1985 #593046 04/19/20 02:11 PM User Showcase
Joined: Apr 2018 Posts: 2,060 Mill Valley, California USA D Deej56 Veteran
Deej56 Veteran D Joined: Apr 2018 Posts: 2,060 Mill Valley, California USA	Richard, A lot of good feedback above, but just wanted to chime in that I really like the melody and approach of the tune . . . it conveys a real sense of what you were shooting for . . . and the musical bed is strong, though the mix could be, as others mentioned above, a bit more balanced. Keep working this . . . there’s a really good tune here. Best regards, Deej

Re: Say Goodbye RichardB1985 #593066 04/19/20 04:35 PM User Showcase
Joined: Mar 2018 Posts: 7,264 Rustyspoon# Veteran
Rustyspoon# Veteran Joined: Mar 2018 Posts: 7,264	Richard, I definitely see the progress in your skills. Interesting tune and I think a good candidate to experiment with some mixing / singing techniques. I agree with Mario that vocals are a bit upfront. What I also noticed, you doubled up your voice in places... I do not have musical training, so I will try to explain in simple terms. You sing this low and when you have two low voices in same field it sounds a little mooshi. I would try singing second voice octave higher or swinging second voice slightly. To me, it is all about experimenting and practice Thank you for sharing. Misha.

Re: Say Goodbye RichardB1985 #593222 04/20/20 12:00 PM User Showcase
Joined: Jul 2019 Posts: 103 R RichardB1985 OP Apprentice
OP RichardB1985 Apprentice R Joined: Jul 2019 Posts: 103	Thanks to everyone for the feedback. It's not always easy to get honest feedback so I'm really glad to get both positive and constructive feedback here. Thank you! I was struggling with hay fever when I recorded it and I also rushed the recording which I think contributed to the pitch issues. I also managed to switch off autotune as my DAW was struggling when I was messing about with the settings on master bus plugins and I forgot to switch it back on when I saved the mixdown. It doesn't save the vocals so I'll be rerecording it. I also messed about with the backing vocals following Misha's advice by pitching them up and they do sound better (although obviously very artificial as I've just pitched them up using autotune). I will definitely re-record this when I get a chance. Last edited by RichardB1985; 04/20/20 02:20 PM.

Re: Say Goodbye RichardB1985 #593306 04/21/20 02:19 AM User Showcase
Joined: Sep 2016 Posts: 2,780 Netherlands, Haarlem Birchwood Veteran
Birchwood Veteran Joined: Sep 2016 Posts: 2,780 Netherlands, Haarlem	Hello Richard, I fear I should take your title literally, because the link to your song wasn't working. It said 'oops, something is wrong' Maybe you are working on another version, because of the reactions I see here? Lots of success, Hans Hans Berkhout (Birchwood) https://soundcloud.com/user-296497130

Re: Say Goodbye RichardB1985 #593309 04/21/20 02:32 AM User Showcase
Joined: Jul 2019 Posts: 103 R RichardB1985 OP Apprentice
OP RichardB1985 Apprentice R Joined: Jul 2019 Posts: 103	Hi Birchwood, Bandlab seems to do this sometimes, the link was working for me but for some reason it doesn't show up - not sure why. I have replaced it with a slightly updated version now but it still needs to be rerecorded.

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