As far as I know there are only RealDrums tracks in 5/4 (Craig Scott), no RealTracks, only MIDI.
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Any realTracks, realdrums, or style (MIDI or Real) can be played in 5/4. Just set the time signature of the song to 5/4 (edit set time signature) and the whole band will play in 5/4. I’d recommend using a waltz as the main style, and then you’ll get an feel of 3+2 beats instead of 4+1.
So we don’t make dedicated realTracks or realdrums in timesigs other than 4/4 (which covers 6/8 and 12/8) and 3/4 (which covers 9/8).
The edit time sigs function only allows time sigs of N/4. Such as 5/4, 7/4, 11/4 but not N/8 like 5/8 or 11/8. If you’re wanting time sigs like 11/8, we have made some dedicated MIDI styles that cover those timesigs. You can search for those in the stylepicker by typing the timesig you want in the filter field.
Oh, dear, that can't be a serious indication that 5/4 is really available. It gives a 3/4 count, plays a bar of 3/4 followed by a bar of 2/4, and the notation looks like this. I think the real answer to the O/P's request is not really. No one could seriously identify that as 5/4. Just a fact.
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, > I think the real answer to the O/P's request is not really. No one could seriously identify that as 5/4. Just a fact.
You’re referring to the notation. How did the arrangement that you made sound, and was it a band full of RealTracks and real drums playing nicely in 5/4?
We could just remove those 2/4 timesig labels , and the bar line, and you’d be looking at 5/4 notation.
Is the alternative suggestion that we record thousands of hours of musicians playing every conceivable style in 5/4? And then repeat that for 7/4, 11/4 etc?
I don't believe that the O/P's request was to deliver thousands of hours of different time signatures, I understood the request was if there were any Real Styles in 5/4.
Yes, the method of changing the time signature sounds like 5/4, but when I tried it, it turned by 8 bar song in 3/4 time into a 4 bar song in 5/4 time, and it modified the beats per bar for a full 16 bars of an 8 bar song(?). I agree that there is a workaround, but there are no Real Styles in 5/4, and that was how I answered the O/P. Definitely not trying to be smart, just sayin'. There's no Real Styles in 5/4.
BTW, after changing the Time Signature to 5/4, BiaB still shows it is in 3/4 (?). And any chord change on beat 3 of the bars that were changed to 2 beats simply don't get played (see the greyed out Bbm on bar 8, it is not played after the time signature change).
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I have been asking for time signatures other than 2/4, 3/4 and 4/4 for years. It is time for PGMusic to get into the 21st century and add real 5/4, 6/8, 12/8, etc time signatures.
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6/8 and 12/8 i come across quite often in the real world so those would be useful. even 9/8 i've heard in irish music, but the only 5/4 tracks i know are take five by dave brubeck and mars by gustav holst. so how many musicians could really sound good in a a 5/4 realtrack?
6/8 and 12/8 i come across quite often in the real world so those would be useful. even 9/8 i've heard in irish music, but the only 5/4 tracks i know are take five by dave brubeck and mars by gustav holst. so how many musicians could really sound good in a a 5/4 realtrack?
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OK I've said this many times over the years; try RB if you want 'next level' results, and odd times are no different. It does 5/4, 7/4 and other time sigs much more as expected than BiaB does. Below is a link to a 7/4 RB Seq file we did a few years back .. I couldn't have done this in BB (maybe that's my BB lack of knowledge, I dunno). Anyway, you can see everything RB did as well as what the other performers did in the file.
You gotta work with odd times, as would be expected (try lots of generations), but in my experience it was pretty impressive. /that's a raw seq file link, just open it in RB, should work.. //yer welcome; I don't usually share source files like this // disclaimer: my effects etc will not load on your system, so don't judge the sound on the source file .. sounded more like this here (not the finished product, but this actual SEQ file) - http://masteringmatters.com/stuff/CountMeOut200219.Wav //// to answer Bob Calvert's question on how many musicians can sound good on 5/4 or 7/4 .. most of the good ones (wow that makes 4 slashies, I've got to cut back on the slashies, maybe join a support group or something)
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Yes, you are right that RB handles time signatures better than BiaB. BUT when you move them from RB to another DAW they still go out as 2/4, 4/4, or 3/4.
I will admit that I haven't tried this in a year or so so if this has changed please let me know.
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If you set the tempo in DAW to match RB tempo, and the Time Sig to match before draggging in, yes, they line up and have for years. Dragging 7/4 from RB to Reaper shown below .. but this is wandering more and more from original post IMO
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> 6/8 and 12/8 i come across quite often in the real world so those would be useful. even 9/8
BIAB added notation support for 6/8, 12/8 and 9/8 a few years ago. There are many real and MIDI styles that play in 6/8,9/8,12/8. You can filter them in the stylepicker using the timesig filter, or just simply type 12/8 in the text field.
thanks for the list of 5/4 songs and thanks to Peter for the info on 6/8,9/8 and 12/8.
my point was that as 5/4 can be done, making it a priority in BIAB and RB may not be as important to the majority of users as some other improvements in wish lists.
apart from the list above, how many of BIAB and RB users (and bear in mind that a large percentage of forum users are serious users and that newbies and less expert users only come here for help with a specific problem) will hear 5/4 tracks in any popular medium that they want to emulate.
not sure about jazz (its a closed book to me) but can't think of an influential pop, country, folk or rock artist that regularly uses 5/4.
i'm always more impressed with what BIAB and RB can do than what they can't - especially when used together.
The question was about 5/4 styles. I think it's not a weakness of the offering, but an acknowledgement that compound time signatures can be interpreted so many different ways (and I'm not even talking about notation). Last I looked, there were at least two midi styles in 5/4. One was based off of the Mission Impossible theme. The other was based off of Brubek's Take Five. Both are named appropriately. MISSION divides the "feel" into 3-2. Brubek's divides it into 2-3. I'm not sure I've ever encountered any, but I can "hear" divisions like 2-2-1 and 1-2-2. How many styles would have to be created just to get those basic feels? And variety? Fuggetaboudit.
I've worked quite a bit in 7/4. It could just as easily be notated as 7/8 in a different tempo. I've used real-tracks and midi tracks with a feel of 3-4, and with a feel of 4-3. Fine so far...but what if the feel/groove is 2-2-2-1 or 2-2-3? The notation might not look pretty, but I could do it (and any other combinations of grooves) in any of those feels with either real tracks or midi.
Granted, some "Styles" may work better than others, but I could set up four bars and audition styles all the dang day long. Adding what would need to be possibly hundreds of new styles to deliver usable variety for much lesser used time signatures "just because" seems a waste to me--especially when (with a little creativity and ear) we can make our own.
Odd meters can be made and played but not displayed (properly)
How it is done in Realtracks? Don’t know, but in Midi, it is doable. You just shrink your midi file to 4/4 (reduce length of midi in Realband), export as midi and the style wizard takes care of the rest (must do some tweaking, sometimes...). I simplify the process here, cause it takes real patience.
Here’s an example in 7
And this one is in 13!
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> 6/8 and 12/8 i come across quite often in the real world so those would be useful. even 9/8
BIAB added notation support for 6/8, 12/8 and 9/8 a few years ago. There are many real and MIDI styles that play in 6/8,9/8,12/8. You can filter them in the stylepicker using the timesig filter, or just simply type 12/8 in the text field.
Just to be clear on this: I see no 6, 12 or 9 support, either in the chord window (4 chords to the bar, or 3 chords to the bar) or in the pianoroll. In the notation window a 12/8 style comes out as a 4/4 and 9/8 as 3/4. Maybe I missed something, here.
Could you point us to where we can find the notation support for 6, 9 and 12?
As to your point about hearing only 3/4, 4/4, 6, 9 or 12. Depends what you listen to, I think. Calling this “the real world” is a little shortsighted, I think. There are such beautiful songs in odd meters: Conference of the birds (Dave Holland), Survivors’ suite (Jarrett), Teiko (Lyle Mays), Forgiveness (Lionel Loueke). Maybe you don’t particularly dig that music, that’s fine, but Biab has a richness of styles that most players don’t necessarily play or like. Part of the magic of Biab, to me.
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Biab, Kontakt, Sampletank and lots of nice libraries, from Fluffy audio to Abbey Road drums. Check out these great contemporary Jazz Styles: www.jazzstylezz.com
Anyone can help point me to the place where I can find the 9/8, 12/8 notation support? Peter Gannon talked about it in a previous post, but the result I get is what I added in the file manager...
Biab, Kontakt, Sampletank and lots of nice libraries, from Fluffy audio to Abbey Road drums. Check out these great contemporary Jazz Styles: www.jazzstylezz.com
Same here. But if you bring it into RealBand you can either bring it into a DAW that you set to match the tempo and time signature or save it as a mid file and load it into a notation program like the free MuseScore.
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