judder 1. shake noisily, wobble. 2. n. shaking, wobbling. [imit., after shudder]. True it is not in my 'The American Heritage Dictionary - relic of my time living in Detroit. But it is in 'The Everyday Oxford Dictionary' and 'The Australian Pocket Oxford Dictionary'. Well, I am originally a pom, after all. Yous guys have got to learn to talk proper.

There is no noise.

I know what you mean about those pills, John.


Grah Jive Talk
"Don't worry baby, they'll swing their arses off."