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Re: Often get rubbish after style change and rebuild. Crashes? berntd #596495 05/08/20 09:40 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,096 Melbourne, Australia	Originally Posted By: berntd ...I am hoping PG Music sees this here and gets back to me about it. Hi Berntd, This Forum is for end users. We do know that PG Music staff sometimes step in with helpful advice, but there is no guarantee that they will review every thread. They might step in, but my additional suggestion is to contact them directly, through their support email, and reference this thread. I do hope this helps and that you can resolve your issue. Regards, Trevor BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.

Re: Often get rubbish after style change and rebuild. Crashes? berntd #596503 05/09/20 12:24 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP berntd Apprentice Joined: May 2019 Posts: 282 Sydney, Australia	How does one reference these threads here Trevor? Band in a Box Latest: ULTRA 2020 (734) on Win 10 And: MEGA 2020 (720) on Windows 7

Re: Often get rubbish after style change and rebuild. Crashes? berntd #596506 05/09/20 12:31 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,096 Melbourne, Australia	Hi Berntd. With the specific thread opened, just copy and past the URL from the top of your browser into an email. You can use the following if you wish. Select the entire following string, right-click and select Copy, in your email to PG Music support, right click and selected Paste: https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=596253&gonew=1#UNREAD Separately, I will also send a support email to PG Music on your behalf, referencing this issue and this thread. Good Luck (again) BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.

Re: Often get rubbish after style change and rebuild. Crashes? AudioTrack #596510 05/09/20 12:38 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,096 Melbourne, Australia	OK, I've separately sent an email to Support, referencing this thread. BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.

Re: Often get rubbish after style change and rebuild. Crashes? AudioTrack #596519 05/09/20 02:15 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP berntd Apprentice Joined: May 2019 Posts: 282 Sydney, Australia	You are very kind. Thank you so much! Band in a Box Latest: ULTRA 2020 (734) on Win 10 And: MEGA 2020 (720) on Windows 7

Re: Often get rubbish after style change and rebuild. Crashes? berntd #596545 05/09/20 03:33 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Rustyspoon# Veteran Joined: Mar 2018 Posts: 7,266	berntd, just a thought... Recently I had issues with BIAB playing and failed renderings. I tried switching drivers, etc. Nothing helped. I did factory settings reset and that solved it. If it was not suggested earlier, maybe try it? It takes less than a minute and it does not involve reinstalling software. If you want to give it a shot: Options->Return to factory settings. One other thing you can try is loading Windows with minimal set of driver/program load and see if issue persists. Also upping the buffer on Asio4All... Good luck.

Re: Often get rubbish after style change and rebuild. Crashes? berntd #596642 05/09/20 02:10 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Keith44 Apprentice Joined: Feb 2017 Posts: 106 Sydney NSW	Your initial post shows your computer has 136 active tasks - this is far to many - a well trimmed win 7 computer only has between 45 to 55 tasks running. It does not have time to do justice to Biab. Why have chrome running at the same time? close it. What else is running unnecessarily? Stop all programs you are not using. See if that makes a difference. Keith

Re: Often get rubbish after style change and rebuild. Crashes? berntd #596686 05/09/20 06:18 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,096 Melbourne, Australia	Originally Posted By: berntd ... Unticking the USE VST box in the Midi driver setup will also fix it. Yes, I thought this might be the case. That's why I earlier asked: "What happens if you don't load any VST's at all? Does that make a difference?" BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.

Re: Often get rubbish after style change and rebuild. Crashes? AudioTrack #596690 05/09/20 07:01 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP berntd Apprentice Joined: May 2019 Posts: 282 Sydney, Australia	No, hang on, I may have misunderstood that at the time. That was related to the resource testing. I did that by killing the running VST in task manager and it did not fix the issue. I replied to that further up. This problem is a bug of sorts. I suspect something that should not, is sending rubbish on MIDI and Cakewalk is reacting to it. Can you reproduce it? Last edited by berntd; 05/09/20 07:07 PM. Band in a Box Latest: ULTRA 2020 (734) on Win 10 And: MEGA 2020 (720) on Windows 7

Re: Often get rubbish after style change and rebuild. Crashes? berntd #596691 05/09/20 07:17 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP berntd Apprentice Joined: May 2019 Posts: 282 Sydney, Australia	Further testing progress: With the problem invoked in Blue Skies, as above, I added a Melody with a few notes. This Melody is MIDI and uses the Cakewalk VST. As soon as the first melody note plays, the problem stops and it works normally thereafter. This also seems repeatable at the moment. Last edited by berntd; 05/09/20 07:18 PM. Band in a Box Latest: ULTRA 2020 (734) on Win 10 And: MEGA 2020 (720) on Windows 7

Re: Often get rubbish after style change and rebuild. Crashes? berntd #596815 05/10/20 04:03 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Keith44 Apprentice Joined: Feb 2017 Posts: 106 Sydney NSW	I tried your files in your order and could not find a fault - even tried adding an intro and changing key but everything worked fine. I still beleive that your processor has to much going on. Give the processor an even chance and I think it will work - could try resetting biab to factory defaults. Keith

Re: Often get rubbish after style change and rebuild. Crashes? Keith44 #596821 05/10/20 05:18 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP berntd Apprentice Joined: May 2019 Posts: 282 Sydney, Australia	Originally Posted By: Keith44 I tried your files in your order and could not find a fault - even tried adding an intro and changing key but everything worked fine. I still beleive that your processor has to much going on. Give the processor an even chance and I think it will work - could try resetting biab to factory defaults. Keith Hi Keith, did you test it with the CakeWalk VST? Regards Bernt Band in a Box Latest: ULTRA 2020 (734) on Win 10 And: MEGA 2020 (720) on Windows 7

Re: Often get rubbish after style change and rebuild. Crashes? Keith44 #596822 05/10/20 05:22 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,096 Melbourne, Australia	Originally Posted By: Keith44 ...I still beleive that your processor has to much going on. Give the processor an even chance and I think it will work - ...Keith I agree. As well as the VirtualMIDISynth, SQLSERVR is also running, taking a fair chunk of RAM (about 250Mb). If some of those processes didn't need to run, the system might perform better. BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.

Re: Often get rubbish after style change and rebuild. Crashes? berntd #596851 05/10/20 09:19 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP berntd Apprentice Joined: May 2019 Posts: 282 Sydney, Australia	Further findings: I am looking at the MIDI monitor When I first load blue skies and it plays correctly, only a couple of MIDI messages occur at the start Then nothing as it uses Realtracks. After following m,y sequence to get it to go crazy, heaps of MIDI messages start flying. All coinciding with the rubbish I can hear. See attached. What does that mean? EDIT: When I play the song at a really slow tempo, I can see and hear those MIDI messages causing the clicking and noise in the music. Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) MIDI Messages when it is outputting the rubbish sound.txt (33.54 KB, 4 downloads) Last edited by berntd; 05/10/20 09:27 PM. Band in a Box Latest: ULTRA 2020 (734) on Win 10 And: MEGA 2020 (720) on Windows 7

Re: Often get rubbish after style change and rebuild. Crashes? berntd #596868 05/11/20 12:05 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,096 Melbourne, Australia	Three important questions: 1: Where did the source of Blue Skies come from? 2: Did you create it only using RealTracks or download if from a separate source? 3: Do you have automatic RealTracks / RealDrums substitution enabled? BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.

Re: Often get rubbish after style change and rebuild. Crashes? berntd #596940 05/11/20 10:36 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP berntd Apprentice Joined: May 2019 Posts: 282 Sydney, Australia	Hi Trevor, Answers... 1 I entered it myself completely. 2 Realtracks on my PC but experimented with various styles. 3 Substitution is DISABLED at this stage. I have also RE-ENTERED it completely and it becomes exactly the same. Regards Bernt Last edited by berntd; 05/11/20 10:38 AM. Band in a Box Latest: ULTRA 2020 (734) on Win 10 And: MEGA 2020 (720) on Windows 7

Re: Often get rubbish after style change and rebuild. Crashes? berntd #596962 05/11/20 02:16 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,096 Melbourne, Australia	Berntd, OK, Thanks for clarifying. Do let us know if PG Music support come back to you, and how it is resolved. This could assist others in the future. BIAB & RB2026 Win.(Audiophile), Windows 10 Pro & Windows 11, Cakewalk Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Session Keys Grand S & Electric R, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M, Pioneer Active Monitors.

Re: Often get rubbish after style change and rebuild. Crashes? berntd #596976 05/11/20 04:45 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Keith44 Apprentice Joined: Feb 2017 Posts: 106 Sydney NSW	Have just set x64 cakewalk TTS-1 as midi synth and running your schedule I experience no problems at all. Everything fine. Hope you soon resolve your problems. (also had firefox running) Keith

Re: Often get rubbish after style change and rebuild. Crashes? AudioTrack #596985 05/11/20 06:49 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP berntd Apprentice Joined: May 2019 Posts: 282 Sydney, Australia	Originally Posted By: VideoTrack ...if PG Music support come back to you... You are not sounding very hopeful here. Do they not get back usually? Band in a Box Latest: ULTRA 2020 (734) on Win 10 And: MEGA 2020 (720) on Windows 7

Re: Often get rubbish after style change and rebuild. Crashes? Keith44 #596986 05/11/20 06:52 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP berntd Apprentice Joined: May 2019 Posts: 282 Sydney, Australia	Originally Posted By: Keith44 Have just set x64 cakewalk TTS-1 as midi synth and running your schedule I experience no problems at all. Everything fine. Hope you soon resolve your problems. (also had firefox running) Keith Thank you Keith. Greatly appreciated! I have no idea why there are those MIDI messages occurring over here. Band in a Box Latest: ULTRA 2020 (734) on Win 10 And: MEGA 2020 (720) on Windows 7

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