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Hello,
I just got a Dell inspiron 15 7000 2 in 1 laptop.
The audio out sound quality is nowhere near what my old laptop is.
The bass and everything from BIAB sounds lacking.
It is the sound out of the audio out jack, analog to my amplifier
Somehow not enough depth.
Has anyone had similar experiences with this other laptops?
My old one was an HP Pavilion Dv6 (old).
I am probably going to return the new laptop.
But :
What is a good laptop to get for BIAB and audio purpose?
Or am I missing something?
Edit:
I just tried a USB to audio converter on the new laptop.
Interestingly, the audio quality from that is just about the same as then internal amplifier/line out.
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Some of us use USB interfaces. I have a Presonus Audiobox. It connects to a USB port then I have a PA system attached. You can also use powered monitors with them.
Another common brand is Focusrite.
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A PA system? Are those not just for voice and public addressing with emphasis on mid and high frequency?
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ok, but we digress, i need to get a new laptop to my amp to as great as the old one.
I have just tried a Behringer UMC202HD interface. It does sound better on that laptop but still not as good as the old laptop directly. (old laptop states "beatsAudio) on it.
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ok, but we digress, i need to get a new laptop to my amp to sound as great as the old one.
I have just tried a Behringer UMC202HD interface. It does sound better on that laptop but still not as good as the old laptop directly. (old laptop states "beatsAudio) on it. We're not digressing. Your Behringer interface bypasses the soundcard of your laptop and replaces it as the amplifier for the software output. Your older laptop produced low end enhanced audio boosting the bass output. <<< It is the sound out of the audio out jack, analog to my amplifier >>> You should no longer connect this way. Use the Behringer UMC202HD interface instead. Connect the audio outputs from the interface to your amplifier. It will still be an analog connection. <<< I am probably going to return the new laptop. What is a good laptop to get for BIAB and audio purpose? >>>No need to return the new laptop. Use the output of the UMC202HD interface. The issue is your ears are use to the Bass Boost of the older computer output. The Behrnger UMC202Hd interface will provide you clearer and better balanced analog output than your older computer or the new computer soundcards.
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Charlie:
I'm intrigued by this but I need some clarification.
How does the sound get from the laptop to the Behringer interface?
I watched Behringer's video on the hookup and it appears the interface connects via USB.
Does that connection provide power AND the sound? (since you stated "Your Behringer interface bypasses the soundcard")
berntd stated that neither the headphone jack nor the "USB to audio converter" worked to his expectations.
I guess I'm missing something.
Help!
Thanks!
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"The bass and everything from BIAB"...
How about Youtube, or some other source, not from BIAB, still sound "thin"?
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Hi
I have always had this problem when using the sound from a laptops headphone skt.
So I feed that to a pair of Behringer MS20 near field monitors these have their own bass and treble controls and amplifier.
Even so because I need it for other reasons I normally forget the internal sound and use my Akai pro usb audio interface but even then I still send the output from this to my Behringer speakers.
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A PA system? Are those not just for voice and public addressing with emphasis on mid and high frequency? Deb likes 'em loud  ... No one seems to mention NOT to use the audio (headphone) outs if you can avoid it. Youll nead preferably a line out for that. Usually laptops have one USB controller chip which makes them less useful for f.i. BIAB and a separate USB audiobreak outbox, used together, especially when (internally) the mouse and keyboard uses the same controller. Luckily USB audio data transfer is not that intensive, but if you run Audiophile from it's external drive, might be too much? I use a Steinberg UC22 occasionally got it new for about 100 euro. Works fine.
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Just a guess, but perhaps your old HP Pavilion had an equalization setting turned on, boosting the bass, and you grew to like that. Now that you hear sound 'flat', you are not used to it.
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Now that you hear sound 'flat', you are not used to it. ^^^^This here. I believe that would be the reason as well. As others said, you shouldn't be sending your sound out of the headphone jack of the laptop. It should be going to the sound interface via USB.
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That's right about the headphone jack. A headphone jack provides neither the right voltage (unless you get really lucky) nor the right impedance to match a line-level signal.
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One of my rare disagreements with you Matt. Years ago Mac went around and around with people saying the same thing, the headphone outs of a laptop are not that good. That was true maybe 10-15 years ago but not in the modern world. As you know you basically count the age of a computer in dog years so 12 years ago is ancient history. Newer laptops all have versions of HD sound built in so people can play movies, stream music and play HD games on them. The sound is fine. I used to run the headphone outs to my mixer in my home studio with no problem. You can also just use a splitter and go direct to powered monitors, people do that all the time too. The only issue is if you run the laptop with the power plugged in. That can put a weird static noise into the output and maybe even that has been filtered out on new ones. Run on the battery it's clear as a bell. Berntd's problem is he's used to BeatzBass. That is a very high bass boost for hip hop and rap. Beats was created by Dr Dre who became the first hip hop billionaire when he partnered with Apple. If he wants more bass he can use these: https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MHA22AM/B/beats-pro-over-ear-headphones-blackOr, get a good interface and run the audio out to a good monitor system. Any good mixer can boost the bass all you want. Bob
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In the past I was successful in running the laptop headphone audio direct to mixer or PA with very good results. And yes, today things are different in Win 10. Check this out, it may help with the issue. This is actually a lot more configuration with these ports today. https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/windows-10-audio-sounds-tinny-when-headphones-are/014e1023-12f3-4b78-8d7e-20190d0afd50?auth=1
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Charlie:
I'm intrigued by this but I need some clarification.
How does the sound get from the laptop to the Behringer interface?
I watched Behringer's video on the hookup and it appears the interface connects via USB.
Does that connection provide power AND the sound? (since you stated "Your Behringer interface bypasses the soundcard")
berntd stated that neither the headphone jack nor the "USB to audio converter" worked to his expectations.
I guess I'm missing something.
Help!
Thanks!
LLOYD S Correct. The interface connects through USB and the device is powered by the USB and it's a 2x2 interface.
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"The bass and everything from BIAB"...
How about Youtube, or some other source, not from BIAB, still sound "thin"? Yes. Most noticable on youtube actually. Especislly if there is an acoustic bass present.
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Now that you hear sound 'flat', you are not used to it. ^^^^This here. I believe that would be the reason as well. As others said, you shouldn't be sending your sound out of the headphone jack of the laptop. It should be going to the sound interface via USB. My old laptop is not overly bass boosted but I think it's frequency responce starts lower. I already tried boosting bass on the amp with the new laptop but that just makes it boomey. None of the sweet singing bass of the old laptop. And I also fi d that I can hear a very faint hint of very high pitch hiss on the new on the new one. The new one is just not there. But I cannot say if that is a software(generator or driver) issue or hardware. I have not found any specs on frequency responce or sound for laptops. Are they even HiFi? Dunno.
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PA System... Continued: Is this the right direction? Maybe not but it is a start. This is a newer version than mine. Danville ...Deb
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One of my rare disagreements with you Matt. Years ago Mac went around and around with people saying the same thing, the headphone outs of a laptop are not that good. That was true maybe 10-15 years ago but not in the modern world. As you know you basically count the age of a computer in dog years so 12 years ago is ancient history.
Newer laptops all have versions of HD sound built in so people can play movies, stream music and play HD games on them. The sound is fine. I used to run the headphone outs to my mixer in my home studio with no problem.
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Bob This thread has diverged a bit. Yes, you can use the headphone jack of a laptop into a mixer. Sweetwater explains the problems but agrees you can do it if you do it carefully. https://www.sweetwater.com/insync/headphone-outputs-used-line-outputs-for-line-level-gear/That does not make it the right thing to do. The quality of the soundcard in the modern laptop is indeed better now, but that was never the issue. Voltage, impedance, and distortion are the issue. Mac is an electrical engineer, and he knew. If for no other reason, I detest using a headphone jack to connect to a mixer, and especially a PA, because those jacks are of low quality and they wear out easily, so if the connection is jostled, you are in for a massive loud crackling. You risk your recording or performance on a thirty-cent part that goes bad easily. All this is to say that the better solution is to buy an audio interface that connects by USB to the laptop.
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