it is possible that there exist some RealTracks that don't have a Cmaj7#5 or C5 chord specifically, however I just tested several RealTracks at random and they all had it.
Then he references several ...Rhythm type RTs chosen at random.
So is the issue now that we can't find a soloist RT (e.g., a Horn Player) which covers an altered chord with a riff containing a #5?
Still amazes me that after 20+ years of operation and claims, BIAB does not play certain chords and notes. Maybe a testimony to the complexity of music?
Lately I have noticed that more and more jazz and Bossa styles do not "understand" e.g. | Cmaj7 / Cmaj7#5 / | Tonnie
Hello, I think at this point it would make a lot of sense if you could just send us a list of some of the styles that present the problem at your end, so we can collate, check and confirm the issues in detail.
Hello, I think at this point it would make a lot of sense if you could just send us a list of some of the styles that present the problem at your end, so we can collate, check and confirm the issues in detail.
I think the O/P was asked this question already but the reply was:
Quote:
...there are just too many real styles (especially those with horn backgrounds), that are not recorded with all the chords that can be entered into BiaB.
So without being advised any of the encountered styles it's difficult for others to check/confirm.
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What if BIAB provided us with the info? Style x plays these chords, style z plays those chords... Would be a nice feature.
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What if BIAB provided us with the info? Style x plays these chords, style z plays those chords... Would be a nice feature.
Yes, such a chart would be a great asset. Hopefully a feature such this could be delivered.
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That would be a pretty substantial spreadsheet, but perhaps helpful to a few of us. As I mentioned a while ago in this thread, PG Music did imply such information exists.
If I set up such a spreadsheet, I would likely have all possibly supported chords as column headers, and all styles as rows. Huge.
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I think it would be easier and far more practical to list what's not available, rather than what is available.
Yes, it could be in a spreadsheet format. This would allow searching by RealTrack / MIDI Track for excluded chord type.
If the user searches for Maj7#5 it would tell them which RealTracks / MIDI Tracks don't support it. Move on the something else.
Thinking further, if it's done with a spreadsheet, it's then absolutely easy to negate the result and only list the ones that do support the chord.
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If only we knew. What chords are known by which style is something only PGMUSIC knows, it’s an embarrassing secret...
The rest is up to us: experiment, try out, get frustrated, find something else, maybe get lucky. Still, there is always fun to be had if you stumble on the nice stuff.
Don’t hold our seriousness against us: we’re committed to the music and love using Biab, we have invested quite a lot in the software over the years and have reasonable expectations, that the program not always delivers on.
Have fun.
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Sorry, but I think you are taking my question way out of proportion. Just give me the name of a few Real Styles that can play Cmaj7 to Cmaj7#5.
Tonnie
Here is one
Opps, wrong alteration, let me try that again...
Sorry, I tried with multiple regenerations but never would this 3 section horn track play a #5. So that is one style we an rule out of the 371 bossa styles I have in my style picker.
And many more. In fact all rhythm RealTracks play Cmaj7#5 as far as I know, if you have the "Natural arrangements" disabled (as I mentioned in a previous post.. that can be done globally or per song in Song settings.)
A problem which I can see thanks to the example of RT3451 is specifically with "Background" and Solo" type RealTracks. Hopefully we can improve the background RealTracks so that they play better over Cmaj7#5. If the RealStyle you have chosen uses a background or solo RealTrack, you might try this type of workaround:
1 - Type an alternate chord symbol for any problem bars and generate the one background track until you get a result you like. 2 - freeze the track. 3 - revert to the original chord symbols and re-generate.
In fact all rhythm RealTracks play Cmaj7#5 as far as I know, if you have the "Natural arrangements" disabled (as I mentioned in a previous post.. that can be done globally or per song in Song settings.)
A problem which I can see thanks to the example of RT3451 is specifically with "Background" and Solo" type RealTracks. Hopefully we can improve the background RealTracks so that they play better over Cmaj7#5.
I was pretty sure we had focused this discussion on Soloist RTs not the Rhythm RTs. I looked specifically at a trio horn RT (soloists) and no #5 was generated. Seems something to work on in the future as you suggest.
Selecting "Natural Arrangements - Never" solved my issue. I was harmonizing melodic minor scale chords for practice, and it was not playing mMaj7,.. it was playing m7 or b7. I was entering chords both manually and through the chord builder.
Also it was not playing Augmented chords on a tune I was working on yesterday.
Thought I was losing it. Luckily my ears aren't as bad as I thought.
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