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question I am looking at upgrading I have band in a box 2019 not wealthy but which is the best upgrade 2020 mega pak or ultra pak?

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Hi. This link describes the various packages and gives a direct comparison between MegaPak and UltraPak. The main difference is in the number of RealTracks. The basic program is the same in each.

https://www.pgmusic.com/bbwin.packages.htm


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My recommendation is usually to got with the highest package that you can afford.

The Mega pak has > 500 RealTracks while the Ultra pak has > 2,900 RealTracks as well as the 2020 49 pak.


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You really don't have BIAB unless you have all the real tracks which come with the Ultra. Just one man's opinion. crazy


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I'm on the other side of the fence to MusicStudent.
You can get a whole lot of mileage out of BIAB without having all the RealTracks, RealStyles etc. It depends a lot on what you are using BIAB for.

Although I have many of the RTs, I can certainly create a workflow for what I need, without them.

Just another man's opinion!

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Originally Posted By: Lloyd S
I'm on the other side of the fence to MusicStudent.
You can get a whole lot of mileage out of BIAB without having all the RealTracks, RealStyles etc. It depends a lot on what you are using BIAB for.

Although I have many of the RTs, I can certainly create a workflow for what I need, without them.

Just another man's opinion!

LLOYD S


I agree with Lloyd. I work mostly on the MIDI side of BiaB. I rarely use RTs at all. On occasion I do use the RT charts if they are available.

There are many different workflows you can use with BiaB. It is a very powerful and versatile piece of software.

Just my opinion.


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Everyone has strengths and weaknesses plus different ideas about how to use Band-in-a-Box.

RealTracks include many different instruments played by professional session musicians. If you have a need for many different instruments you'll want the UltraPAK or Audiophile.

If you're more interested in midi the MegaPAK will serve you well.

If you want to learn the program and what it has to offer the ProPAK or MegaPAK works for you.


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I'm on the MIDI side of the fence myself.

I can export the MIDI files and then edit to make them better...

I can add song specific licks and kicks. I can change chord inversions. I can make the song play notes in chords that BiaB does not play.

I can do simple things too, like change the piano to a rhodes or a clav, a strat sound guitar to a les paul or a banjo, a cowbell to a ride cymbal, a string section to an organ or chorus, the acoustic bass to an electric bass, or whatever.

The fact is that MIDI is thousands of times more editable than audio. I want to play with the music, be an active participant, and take the very good output of Band-in-a-Box and make it better.

A good MIDI sound module can sound 90-99% as good as a real instrument, but expression to me is more important than the finer points of tone.

I'll use a Real Track if it is exactly what I'm looking for, but more often than not there is something I want to change about it, so I go with MIDI.

If I want to passively listen to others play music without my participation, I'll put on a CD.

But I need to emphasize that there is more than one right way to do this. My way is the best for me, and may or may not be best for anyone else.

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I agree with Notes there's certainly more than one way to create quality music with BIAB and everyone needs to determine the work flow and tools that work best for them.

I straddle the fence between MIDI and audio and use both for their particular strengths they bring to a BIAB song. Edited MIDI files can and do make songs better and audio can really close the gap to making a song sound realistic and commercially viable. Nearly every song can benefit by containing both elements.

There are multiple ways to add song specific licks and kicks using audio, change chord inversions and then use MIDI to make the song play notes in chords and other things that BIAB doesn't play or MIDI is the better choice over using audio.

I believe that over time, MIDI is now only tens or a hundred times more editable than audio. Band in a Box has sufficient audio editing tools to complete many audio editing and arranging tasks that most users normally and unnecessarily export out to a DAW to do. But it's super easy to transfer BIAB tracks when the DAW is the best editing, arranging and production tool. But often, it's more beneficial to edit from BIAB rather than a DAW so features and tools that are exclusive to BIAB can be accessed and utilized. Techniques like programming the Chord Chart to see and anticipate instrument changes, panning and volume automation, muting and unmuting tracks, smooth transitions, fade ins and fade outs are professional studio quality when done in the BIAB project and don't have to be addressed when the project is moved to a DAW.

I use a Real Track if it is exactly what I'm looking for, but on occasion, it's not. When there is something I want to change about RealTrack audio, I edit the audio itself or sometimes combine it with Other RealTrack audio or MIDI most times without leaving BIAB. Done correctly, editing and arranging tracks in BIAB is indistinguishable from manually doing the same in a DAW.

In many cases, I think editing audio from within the BIAB program is vastly underrated and underused. This is true is such areas as the updated Melody's feature and it's 10 channel sub mixer and the two versions of User Tracks where the traditional User Track is not as broken as it's thought to be and the User Artist Performance Track which isn't broken at all. Loops are easy to create and can be made from MIDI or audio and even MIDI and audio combined. The BIAB Mixer can export stems and sub mixes quickly and easily and even if they are exported out for use in a DAW project, reduce mixing time and tracks in those projects.


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This gets to really be a question of money. Less than $300 for everything they sell in 2020.
This is a lot of stuff for that amount of money.

After other software, computers, guitars, pianos and other music stuff I own BIAB is not a material amount of money.

Real Tracks for me are useful in many ways. They are a tool to learn new stuff from pro musicians and fun to mess around with for recording.

Midi is every serious musician's go to tool if you use a keyboard. The thing I like most about midi is the vast amount of really good VST's that exist today....many for free and some I own that cost more than BIAB. I could never own enough real drums to get all the sounds I get from VST's. Even if you are a pro drummer playing on the best pro kits, you are likely to trigger a VST from your kit.

Also it depends on what skill sets you have and what other software you use. I can edit in standard notation with a greater degree of precision just because I have better skills there than in midi editing. There is a serious time cost to standard notation not the least of which is learning to read, and of course learning to use a notation software program.

I don't think is is very easy to know what someone will find very useful unless they take a chance and buy the top of the BIAB line of products.

I would never dream of trying to tell you how to spend your money. I would tell you I have never been unhappy with all the stuff I have acquired from PG Music.

Good luck,

Billy

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