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Hi,
To tell the truth I got BIAB on floppy disk the first time and it has been so long ago I can't remember why I got it.
Over the last ten years I have almost stopped playing live for many reasons, not the least has been old age and health.
In retirement I have had the time to get involved learning to use "home studio stuff". BIAB fit right into that program.
The longer I use BIAB the more it becomes a learning tool on several levels.
If you live past seventy there are certain things that I assume happen to most everyone. Most noticeable is that most of your friends and band mates die. Also things you loved to do are no longer possible, like flying my airplane and running my boat. Music is what I have left that I seriously like.
In many ways BIAB has been something of a replacement for the people I have played with who are no longer with us. Of course it does not replace anyone but at least is something to play with.
I have younger friends and play in their bands from time to time but it is and never will be the same. There is no way to truly recapture the past with 99.999% of the younger people. My history is just not relevant to them any more than I really understand why they like the things that have been popular in the last few years.
I sometimes wonder if living my life vicariously through a computer really makes any sense...lol
Cheers,
Billy
“Amazing! I’ll be working with Jaco Pastorius, Charlie Parker, Art Tatum, and Buddy Rich, and you’re telling me it’s not that great of a gig?
“Well…” Saint Peter, hesitated, “God’s got this girlfriend who thinks she can sing…”
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i bought BIAB on floppies to create backing tracks for a duo i played in. all midi in those days and the freebie with BIAB was PowerTracks. can't remember how i got on to BIAB but i think it was the music store in london who originally mentioned i could download backing tracks from the internet or 'there's band in a box and you can choose who is in your band.' which wasn't quite accurate but got me interested. all the styles were built in and i remember buying floppies with new midi styles from PG over the internet.
in fact when we played live we used PT DOS version to play the type O files on a laptop connected to a roland sc7 through a serial port.
funny in those days how much we used to have to know about pcs etc - eventually transferring to Windows 95 and having special versions of config.sys and autoexec.bat for different tasks like music and playing games. none of which i can remember and couldn't do these days.
but some of the basic lessons - rough out in BIAB and finalise in PT (now RB) taught me things that people coming to BIAB these days have missed out on and have great difficulty doing something which is quite simple.
and like you i can't sail my boat any more. parkinson's disease means i would probably fall overboard. it also means my guitar playing is getting severely limited and pc music more the norm for home consumption. playing out no longer happens.
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I bought it to use as backup for practicing.
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Hi Bob,
Sorry to hear about the Parkinson issue. I spent a year going through all sort of test because I had "Parkinson like symptoms". At the end of all that the Dr. said "I don't know what is wrong with you".He told me that that I did not have Parkinson but I may have something related and if I did it would be fatal and not treatable. Well...I did not die, so who knows...lol
I still go out in my boat sometimes on calm days but not alone and wear a auto inflatable life jacket.
“Amazing! I’ll be working with Jaco Pastorius, Charlie Parker, Art Tatum, and Buddy Rich, and you’re telling me it’s not that great of a gig?
“Well…” Saint Peter, hesitated, “God’s got this girlfriend who thinks she can sing…”
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Nice question. I haven't see this asked in many years.
I play almost all wind instruments but no rhythm instruments, so I needed something to generate chords and rhythms to compose and arrange music. I had been using the little Yamaha sequencers including the QY-10, and although they were incredible at the time, they were limited in variations. I went into Sam Ash in New York City to ask if there were newer models, and they steered me to a software approach, BIAB. This was back in, I think, 1993.
Many here on the forum do not know that there was an earlier BIAB forum that ceased in summer 2000 when new forum software was installed. All the early posts, and post counts, were lost. Some of us have been here a long time...
When I'm in the nursing home someday, all I will need is a laptop, headphones, and BIAB.
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I got it mainly because I am a misanthrope. I don't want people coming into my house for ANY reason. Real Band (what I prefer) gives me quality players who are available to do tracks whenever I feel like working, with no schedules to coordinate. The "players" play very well, do more takes if I want them, never complain about it, never show up drunk, and are always on time. And I only had to pay them once. My CD was 90% tracks and 10% me. I have done a few songwriter showcases and got nothing but compliments about my "backing band".
I like computers (and dogs) SO much more than people. Covid quarantine has actually been quite enjoyable for me. I order stuff, people bring it to me in a day or two. Once I retired from work, I retired from people too.
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Way back when BiaB was available for PC (DOS only), Motorola Mac and Atari computers on floppy disks I bought a copy to practice improvisation on my saxophone with.
To practice improv I had been using recordings, but this gave me the ability to play virtually song I wanted, and try out ideas without embarrassing myself in front of other band members.
Later on when BiaB started allowing end users to make styles I tried my hand at it. I made about a dozen and gave them to my friends. My friends told me they liked them better than the BiaB built in styles (aren't friends great?).
I wrote a few more, took out an ad in Electronics Musician and sold a few. One day Peter Gannon called and offered to convert the Atari formatted styles to PC (it was called IBM format back then). Before long I had a side business selling styles and I am still writing style e-disks and fake e-disks today.
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Hi Matt,
It has been obvious to me from the start that you have been around here for a good little while. The 20K plus post sort of give it away. lol How you do dat??
I think needing some instrument that you don't play is most likely a pretty common reason for buying BIAB. I only know a few musicians who can play drums, guitar, bass and keys must less play brass and woodwind. I was kinda hoping I would fall overboard while being on my boat alone before I was required to go to a nursing home. Look at all the money my wife would save if I drowned fifty miles off shore...lol
Hi Eddie,
I guess I like most people or a least tolerate them . lol I do like some dogs better than some people I have met. Animals in general trust me more than humans. Dogs and cows like me for some unknown reason. Birds have landed on my head or shoulder many times, especially on my boat.
I wonder how many people buy BIAB who do not play any musical instrument.
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“Well…” Saint Peter, hesitated, “God’s got this girlfriend who thinks she can sing…”
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Due to terrible timing, I could not find anyone who would play along with me.
BIAB bands don't complain about timing and eventually I did get better.
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like Matt i remember the old forums and the willingness to help was the same. and we're all growing older with PG Music!
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like Matt i remember the old forums and the willingness to help was the same. and we're all growing older with PG Music! Huh? Would speak a little louder so I can hear ya 
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It was the best game of Hungry Hippos I've ever seen!
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I first bought BiaB on a floppy for my Atari computer and to be honest I didn't like it. IIRC I thought the styles were too stiff. There were not many styles back then. So I stayed with Dr T's sequencer and did my own MIDI stuff.
After our wedding band called it quits I still wanted to keep playing, but not in another band. I wanted to play what I wanted when I wanted. I tried BiaB again and have been with it for many years now.
I got banned from Weight Watchers for dropping a bag of M&Ms on the floor.
It was the best game of Hungry Hippos I've ever seen!
64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
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I thought BiaB might save me time.
I had been doing mostly MIDI arrangements of my tunes since the advent of MIDI.
I got the MegaPAK in 1999, I think. Along with GigaSampler (the forerunner of the now-defunct GigaStudio) I was able
to construct arrangements at relative light speed.
I totally underestimated how BiaB would impact my musical (creative) life.
Biggest surprise:
"How easily I could get (had gotten) into a rut."
Typically, I'd begin with the way I originally imagined the tune / song and try to match it with BiaB. (I still do that.)
My breakthrough came one day when I wasn't completely satisfied with the results, and listened to what I had come up with through all the styles, even sometimes with different time signatures.
I was amazed at some of the results (most sounded terrible).
What resulted was a creative explosion for me.
Today, over 20 years later, I still regard
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First time I tried BIAB 10+ years ago, in hope to find a continuation of my Yamaha QY100 sequencer/arranger, which was an excellent piece of hardware 20 years ago. I tried it for an hour and uninstalled it. Couple of years ago I decided to give it another shot, and got frustrated again. GUI scared me to death! I could not understand, why software so creative has this outdated design. I was about to close the door on BIAB but couple of senior members convinced me to be more open minded. In a couple of months I realized that this will be my main to-go software for music inspiration. Before I moved to college I played with couple of bands, but it was never my intention to perform for crowds. I enjoy making songs for the joy of creating, not aiming for perfection. My thinking is, you can always expand on quality if you have good "bones". I was pleasantly surprised to find that many members here are also putting the concept of idea, composition and arrangement in front of judgement of production quality. To draw the line. With very limited time I have for my music hobby, BIAB allows me to experiment with different styles on the fly, without sacrificing the quality. To be able to make those wonderful musicians play what I want them to play, without hating me for it. Plus, forum members, that for the most part are wonderful people and musicians that will try to help and explain things without poisonous sarcasm. (*sarcasm can be good if applied in homeopathic dosages, like cyanide in B12 vitamins) P.S. I do think I am lucky in the way to jump on the wagon at the time I did. I do see major improvements being made in relatively short period of time I was around. Hoping there is more BIG ones to come in the next year or two
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When I first learned about being able to buy and download midi backing tracks I went laughing and kicking down the road. That must have been in about 1996. I didn’t even have a computer or access to the internet. Had to go over to a neighbor and sit there to find and download.
I used to copy these onto a stiffy disk and play them on my Yamaha keyboard.
In 1999 I had an pocket sized external sound module thingy, with a keyboard, sounds and styles ( it was made by Roland and I called it “Phillip”). I took it with me when I sailed from cape to rio and spent hours in my bunk exploring the possibilities of computer generated accompaniment.
From 2001 till 2010 I took a break from music completely and then in 2010 I took some vocal lessons... that lead me to a duo... which lead me to song writing and recording... which in 2011 lead me to Biab.
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I'm glad it did. Keep on doing what you're doing.
You're making music much more accessible to a ton of people.
It helps all of us who enjoy playing music by having listeners who can better appreciate what they're hearing.
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I had decided to record my songs and I wanted to do it myself. This was about ten years ago. I had dabbled with Audacity and then bought Sonar. I thought the bundled vst instruments were what I needed to add drums and bass to the guitar and vocal tracks I'd record myself. I guess they were, but I wasn't interested in learning midi.
Then I heard some of the productions Guitarhacker posted in the Cakewalk Sonar forums. They were wonderful. He recommended I check out BIAB and he went on to explain how he used Real Tracks in his original songs. I was sold. Thank you, Herb!
I posted 'One of Those Days' to the Showcase in December, 2013.
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<...snip...>So I stayed with Dr T's sequencer and did my own MIDI stuff.<...>
I used Master Tracks Pro on my Atari, which got ported to Mac and when Microsoft went with windows 3.1 I jumped on it there as well. I still use MTPro for doing pure MIDI sequence work. Unfortunately it's been abandoned and there will be no more updates. It's still very powerful, has a nice set of tools, and there is no Audio to complicate the menus so my work gets done much quicker than it does with Cakewalk, or Power Tracks Pro Audio (two other fine tools when I need audio as well). Notes
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For many years I would create my own midi tracks for the odd bit of music for myself and my ex. All my live playing was done with fellow musicians. We rarely used other types of tracks although I did put some MIDI songs into a keyboard I had. I did know some guys that spoke of BIAB and I had seen it a number of years ago but it was not for me.
After retiring about 6 years ago my wife and I moved from Tasmania up to a retirement village on the Gold Coast. Not long after I arrived here folks asked if I would do some songs for them. I needed some backing tracks pronto and got BIAB Pro. Then in a short time discovered RealTracks and have been creating backing tracks ever since until March this year (I did my last show and everything shut down).
Lately I’m back to playing with MIDI and have spent a small fortune on things such as Kontakt and VSL Synchron Orchestra stuff. But BIAB is still there generating bits I want albeit with an increased use of MIDI. I do this mainly to maintain some form of sanity in this new age of shut downs and to see how far I can push it for myself.
Thanks to PG, BIAB and the Forum Folk.
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Back about 20 years ago I purchased a Roland keyboard and figured out that I could create some pretty good backing tracks to back my guitar playing using it's accompaniment styles. As I began to get more gigs I wanted to improve the quality and flexibility of the back-ups and purchased my first version of BIAB from Bob "Notes" Norton. I've been gigging with BIAB ever since (although I'm on hold at this time due to Covid-19). Due to the variety of styles that BIAB offers, I've been able to play in several different genres without having to hire a new band each time. Although I haven't gotten rich, the money I've made has more than paid for the yearly upgrades.
Thanks Peter and BIAB!
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Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Windows!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: VST3 Plugin Support
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® now includes support for VST3 plugins, alongside VST and AU. Use them with MIDI or audio tracks for even more creative possibilities in your music production.
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Macs®: VST3 Plugin Support
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: Using VST3 Plugins
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