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I've begun doing alot of recording in RB using backing tracks I created in BIAB then adding leads and vocals. Sometimes when modifying a track with Direct X plugins, I cannot preview the selected FX before committing to Process. Also, usually when I try to generate audio harmonies I have no trouble, but lately it crashes the program when I try to preview before committing to Generate. I'm running BIAB 2018 right now and wonder if I may have a corrupted file in the program. I plan to upgrade to 2021 in November. Does anyone have any opinions on this? Is it likely that 2021 will fix the problem or should I go to something like ProTools now?
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Does anyone have any opinions on this? Reaper! You asked. 
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I've been a Pro Tools fan for the last 5 years. {$$$ RANT}Like a lot of software companies now, they want to encourage you to just set up a monthly paid subscription. Since I'm not a frequent user, I just get a perpetual license that provides a year of updates, then I can use it as long as I want. After a few years, I'll get another one of those. {/$$$ RANT}
Since I've been using PT, my workflow is to get all the tracks like I want them in BIAB, then export each instrument as a .WAV file. I import those to PT and finish the song in that environment.
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Since what you have worked until recently, I would download the latest update for 2018 RealBand from +++ HERE +++ and apply it. As you said a file may have become corrupt and that action may fix it. While there's nothing wrong with trying something new like Reaper, ProTools or my favorite +++ Cakewalk by BandLab +++, which is free to use on 64 bit Windows computers, it's another musical orientated program you have to learn and get use to. Get what you're accustomed to using working and then explore alternatives if you want to. You can always decide to try a DAW later on. The DAWs mentioned are not necessarily better or worse than what you have, but they do operate differently than RealBand. There will be an adjustment period if you switch.
Last edited by Jim Fogle; 08/28/20 08:38 AM. Reason: Clarify ideas.
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The real question is does RB do everything that you need? If so then no you do not need to change.
Personally I use Studio One Pro 5 and I find it a lot easier to use then RB, BUT I haven't put a lot of time in RB. My workflow makes Studio One a better choice, BUT there are some here who produce pro sounding songs with RB. You can not tell from a song what DAW was used, with the possible exception of some sounds that are included with specific DAWs.
So the question still remains does RB do everything that you need it to do?
I will add that I use mostly MIDI and rarely use RTs. YMMV
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Remember that BIAB/RB includes a DAW as a convenience. The meat of the thing, and the intention, was to create those backing tracks. If the DAW side is causing you grief, I'd say move to a DAW and then export your tracks to the DAW rather than pull your hair out. And you will get a suggestion for every DAW out there based on what people know best. Think of it as people who refuse to drive anything but a <insert carmaker here> because that's what they always had and will remain faithful to until they die. Many will only use what they can get free. I have Sonar, Reaper, Pro Tools, and a few more I don't even remember the names of. I got them just to take a look at them, and still I use the DAW in Real Band. It does everything I want from a DAW. Paid $600 for Pro Tools and NEVER use it.
I find Sonar WAY too hard to get the initial setup done. Assigning interfaces, learning the screen layout.... I have tried like 5 times but never got anywhere with it, so it now sits unused on my hard drive. Fortunately it comes with a decent array of plugins that Real Band can use.
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If it were me and I were planning on upgrading BiaB this year I would wait and see what comes up with RB it is as mentioned free. Yess there some feature in main stream DAWs that are attractive. And yess sometimes RB will crash. I have found that other DAWs crash also. Sometimes it is the system that is at fault.
I like Mario use Studio one, but have logged many hours in RB, and would have no problem using it exclusively. In fact there are some advantages. It opens BiaB file natively. You can start from scratch in it. Adding col tracks is seamlessly.
Unlike Mario I am not dyslexic!
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Does anyone have any opinions on this? I would say you can avoid each and every pitfall of a DAW by going to a digital multi track recorder. I have owned many hardware units over a period of decades and have never suffered a crash with any of them. I have three hardware units now and their reliability is phenomenal. Even if you someday have the need to move tracks or a project to a DAW, every hardware device I'm aware of has a means to transfer files to a DAW and back again. A recording on a digital multi track recorder is indistinguishable from a recording made on a DAW. Like BIAB, a quality hard disk recorder can complete a project completely "in the box" which is a very simple and reliable setup.
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I have never been a real user of RB. I’ve used it to do some Multiriffs but that is about it. I thought why would I use this when I have Platinum which is far more intuitive and easy.
Post Platinum I went onto Reaper then got Cakewalk by BandLab. I am reasonably proficient with either. I prefer Cakewalk for MIDI editing and Reaper for mixing and “mastering” mainly because of the plugins I have.
Both Reaper and Cakewalk come with enough plugins to get the job done. Cakewalk is a really good price US$0.00 (free) and Reaper is $60. Either is well worth the price. I think Cakewalk is easier for a beginner but Cakewalk is only available on a 64bit Windows machine.
If you can use RB at all I reckon you’ll find almost any other DAW a snap to get used to. There are many really good tools and methodologies available in most DAWs. Both Reaper and Cakewalk have vast amounts of tutorials on line.
So to go to a DAW is a no brainer IMHO.
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"Paid $600 for Pro Tools and NEVER use it."
I've heard that from others more than once.
One friend bought Powertracks and has made 4 CDs with it.
His brother bought ProTools and has not finished a single song that I know of.
Not sure he ever actually recorded a single track, but he had to have 'the best'. <giggle>
I got a trial of it a few years back and just gave up on it too.
RB, Powertracks and Reaper seem to be what I get stuff done with.
FWIW, the mention of 'Preview the FX before changing' in original past implies they are using the old Hard Write FX.
These are old (16bit), quirky, & sometimes simply consolidating the track fixes weird issue with them.
Instead try using the equivalent RealTime FX. No need to preview, you can adjust on the fly (and again as needed later), without making a destructive (hard written) change to your file.
There is really no need to use any of the old hard write FX other than Gain Change, and even then there are better options.
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RealBand has some issues but there has been work on it behind the scenes that looks promising, so we could see that soon.
ReaTrak will integrate Biab/BiabVST with Reaper DAW.
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There are many DAWs out there, so many that I can't even comment on all of them - in addition to RealBand, I personally use Pro Tools and Logic. The biggest thing to remember about DAWs in general is that it's less about the features within the DAW and more about your level of comfort with it. I started with Pro Tools years before I ever tried Logic, and while Logic is easier and simpler in many respects, I just can't fully get used to certain parts of it.
When it comes down to features though, one thing to remember about RealBand (asides from what others have mentioned earlier) is that it has more advanced Band-in-a-Box integration than anything else can provide - for example, it has the ability to directly access RealTracks, and the ability to generate those RealTracks a bar or a section at a time. Nothing else is capable of that without having to manually edit pieces together.
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I use BIAB, Realband and Reaper in the creation of my songs.
Realband lets me do things that BIAB cannot do while it allows me to work with BIAB's ability to generate tracks.
I take all my tracks to Reaper for mixing and creating the final product.
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HI Noel
I see your work flow but what is the end product you are aiming for.
Is it a stereo mix down of all tracks to a wav or maybe Mp3 or a midi file.
Or even a audio CD.
In others words what will you be doing with it, streaming it on the web, printing sheet music or lead sheets, or band parts?
I am always curious to know what folk want from their music software.
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REAPER? I keep reading how it is good and how it is FREE.
But AFAIK it isn't FREE at all - you get 60 days and then have to stump up $60.
SO - how much better is Reaper than RB FOR THE AVERAGE USER who just wants to record stuff and not be an Audio God?
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Over the years I’ve spent a lot of money on various products but I have to say the US$60 for Reaper was by far and away the best $60 I’ve spent. Takes a while to learn but that’s all a part of the experience.
If you’re using a 64bit Windows system then try Cakewalk by BandLab. It is also good and it is free.
just a thought
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The real question is does RB do everything that you need? If so then no you do not need to change.
.................................. I'll go back to my original post as I think this is the real question. YMMV Edit - Has anyone noticed that JohnF has not been back? His origial post was in 8/26.
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This question probably pops up about twice a year. Let me use an analogy to say what I want to convey.
I am sure at some point you have watched NHL hockey. Now when you watch a hockey game, how long after the initial puck drop do you start to focus on the passing, hitting, scoring, goaltending, fighting.... It is easy to forget that you are watching the greatest skaters in the world because very quickly the skating becomes subliminal.
Just like in PG software, the fact that it writes backing tracks and allows you to generate solos seems to become subliminal as people start to focus on the DAW aspects. You can change to Reaper, Sonar, Cubase, Logic, Ableton, Pro Tools..... and any of the what, 2 dozen DAWs out there, and not one of them is going to write your tracks for you. Unless you have drums (and know how to play them), keyboards (and know how to play them), guitars (and know how to play them), you can sit there and stare at a Pro Tools or a Reaper screen for days and still have nothing to mix.
Just like the skating in hockey, the writing of backing tracks quickly becomes subliminal and the concept of "THIS is what we meant for this thing to do" gets lost in the DAW-ness.
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i'm an avid user of biab/reaper. love them all.
my song creation method is the same as noel96.
start off in biab then xfer repeatedly traks to reaper,
where i add my own vocs etc etc and mix.
i remember years ago when i first paid for reaper people would say "what" and many other expletives. lol.
us early users realised its significance however.
so i just kept mum and avoided any arguments etc.
now of course it has a huge user base with even grammy winners and big organisations useing it.
eg check out kenny gioai (a grammy winner) reaper vids.
v usefull for new people.
you tube if i remember. lots of how to reaper vids on you tube and other sites.
i also remember people years ago putting down biab on some forums. now look how far biab has come.
loving 2020.
but still i keep an open mind as to new developments.
i'm currently watching the development of daws such as harrison mixbus., and many others like
traction waveform, mixcraft, bitwig etc etc.
in particular i'm watching the harrison mixbus daw ,
as it seems a different paradigm based on the legendary
harrison consoles used in big studios.
if i feel a product will enhance my abilty to write a song then i get it.
as long as its within my budget.
(ps. ive done a lot of songs this year in biab and reaper.
so if anyone knows a site i can upload a few to, for critique in the user showcase , plz tell me. i just dont want my email in box to get flooded out with ads/spam.)
(ps. eddie/simon. good point. biab/rb is unique in the music software world.
respectfully.
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my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs(90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
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The real question is does RB do everything that you need? If so then no you do not need to change.
.................................. I'll go back to my original post as I think this is the real question. YMMV Edit - Has anyone noticed that JohnF has not been back? His origial post was in 8/26. This is always the point I try to make whenever anyone asks about switching DAWs from X to Y. Does X do what you want? Is the extra feature in Y worth having to learn everything all over again? This question probably pops up about twice a year. Let me use an analogy to say what I want to convey.
I am sure at some point you have watched NHL hockey. Now when you watch a hockey game, how long after the initial puck drop do you start to focus on the passing, hitting, scoring, goaltending, fighting.... It is easy to forget that you are watching the greatest skaters in the world because very quickly the skating becomes subliminal.
Just like in PG software, the fact that it writes backing tracks and allows you to generate solos seems to become subliminal as people start to focus on the DAW aspects. You can change to Reaper, Sonar, Cubase, Logic, Ableton, Pro Tools..... and any of the what, 2 dozen DAWs out there, and not one of them is going to write your tracks for you. Unless you have drums (and know how to play them), keyboards (and know how to play them), guitars (and know how to play them), you can sit there and stare at a Pro Tools or a Reaper screen for days and still have nothing to mix.
Just like the skating in hockey, the writing of backing tracks quickly becomes subliminal and the concept of "THIS is what we meant for this thing to do" gets lost in the DAW-ness. This is exactly the argument right here, excellent analogy Eddie! RealBand is different than literally every DAW out there, so it's impossible to compare apples to apples.
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-For Pro customers, this includes 33 new RealTracks and 65+ new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 29 new RealTracks and 45+ new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 20 new RealStyles.
- Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana
- Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano
- Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7
- Playable RealTracks Set 4
- RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark
- SynthMaster Sounds and Styles (with audio demos)
- 128 GM MIDI Patch Audio Demos.
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyles,
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster,
- Instrumental Studies Set 23: More '80s Hard Rock Soloing,
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster
- Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8
- RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®!
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Mac!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
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