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Hi all,
I'm hoping someone can help with this. I've made around 10 backing tracks with BiaB and imported them to Logic Pro using the DAW but on listening back I've found that in the first one I've listened to in Logic the piano part has become simplified, holding chords for a bar/measure rather than playing rhythmically as it does in BiaB. If I render the track and then drop it into Logic, all good, so I'm wondering what I might be missing when I open the song in the BiaB Daw, generate the style and then drag and drop to Logic.
I can't seem to see anything obvious I'm doing or not doing, a bit frustrating as I've done all the tracks, "imported" them and now I can't figure what's wrong. I've only listened back to a couple for now but the same issue applies, chord voicing and rhythms are different. Any ideas?
Andy
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When you using the DAW do you mean BiaB DAW plugin? If so check to see if any type simple arrangement is checked under preferences. In the plugin.
I’ll look later today and see if I can verify that this can happen
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G’day Rob,
Thanks for the reply, yep the BiaB plug in. I’ll have a look more closely and see whether or not I’ve either checked or unchecked something that’s causing it. It seems strange that with essentially the same settings, I use the BiaB DAW and there are differences between Logic and Studio One but neither are the same as the original tracks I put together. I’ve not checked all tracks, they are jazz trio and quartet but it’s certainly noticeable in the piano parts.
Cheers,
Andy
Last edited by Andyf1204; 09/06/20 07:00 PM.
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Andy,
In case you're not aware, once you use Band-in-a-Box to create a song file you like, freeze the tracks before you save the song file.
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Hi all,
I'm hoping someone can help with this. I've made around 10 backing tracks with BiaB and imported them to Logic Pro using the DAW but on listening back I've found that in the first one I've listened to in Logic the piano part has become simplified, holding chords for a bar/measure rather than playing rhythmically as it does in BiaB. If I render the track and then drop it into Logic, all good, so I'm wondering what I might be missing when I open the song in the BiaB Daw, generate the style and then drag and drop to Logic.
I can't seem to see anything obvious I'm doing or not doing, a bit frustrating as I've done all the tracks, "imported" them and now I can't figure what's wrong. I've only listened back to a couple for now but the same issue applies, chord voicing and rhythms are different. Any ideas?
Andy Some BIAB settings aren't preserved when a BIAB file is opened in another program. This applies to DAWs, including RealBand and may also apply to the plug-in. The result of losing settings is each track is possibly regenerated if that is a function of that program thus losing the exact rendition of that track's audio you're hearing. Freezing a track saves the current track in BIAB and that does not necessarily transfer over to other programs because until a track is either saved or rendered, it's a virtual track and no physical file exists of that exact audio. Every time or any situation a user has a track they want to preserve the entire track or a portion of a track, the fool-proof method is to save the track as an Artist Performance Track. Simply Rt. Click on the desired track, select Track Actions, Save as a Performance Track. If you haven't saved the project, you'll be prompted to save it before a Performance Track is created and saved. Saving the project allots a folder for the necessary files the APT relies on to function correctly. Benefits of creating an APT and why I prefer using it over other methods are: . It creates and saves an exact audio file copy of the current existing virtual track in the BIAB Mixer. . This saved audio file can be imported onto the Audio Channel of the BIAB Mixer and solo'd with the Virtual Track for comparison and confirmation the two tracks are identical. . Easy to Share. The saved audio file can be imported into any other DAW or Audio Editing program with certainty you're importing exactly the audio content you want. . If for some reason the APT needs further editing, an APT is easily and quickly undone. An APT can be saved, undone and edited and saved again as many times as one desires with each edited file chosen to be saved or discarded. . An APT is a UserTrack and will follow most UserTrack/RealTrack functions meaning it can be transposed to another key or different tempo. . An APT can have notation and tabs and it's possible to make an APT into a full functioning UserTrack that responds to chord changes. . An APT track is truly frozen from regeneration other than transposing key or tempo. The audio content is retained exactly so if you've saved the track to preserve a specific riff or phrase, that content is available to you in any key or tempo.... . The saved audio content can be used over and over in the current BIAB project or any other appropriate BIAB project or DAW project. . The BIAB Mixer Channel converted to an APT is renamed and changes to another color clearly marking the Channel has been modified. . Any sound media recognized by BIAB can be converted to an APT. (MIDI, SuperMidi, Loop, Sample, RealTrack, RealDrum, Live or pre-recorded Audio)
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Thanks for that Charlie,
sorry it's taken so long to reply, sometimes, as I think I've said before, life gets in the way and the fun stuff has to take a backseat for a bit. Rest assured, I'm grateful for any and all of the advice I get and eventually get the chance to put it all into practice.
Maybe it's just me but I find a few things I would think might be pretty straight forward can be more difficult to do than I would have thought, not intuitive, or taking far more steps than I would have thought, not just Biab but other software as well. I do wonder if in some instances I'm expecting too much from a product and developers but I must say in most cases someone out there on the various forums has found a solution or at least a workaround.
Thanks again for you response and assistance.
Andy
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I'm glad to offer assistance. I don't know very much about the MAC version of BIAB but I'm aware the APT (Artist Performance Track) is also a feature to the MAC versions.
It should solve your issue but if not, come back here to the forum and we can continue to work on the problem.
Fortunately, the APT is straight forward and does all the work automatically which is a good thing. It really is as simple as Right Click on the desired track, select Track Actions, Save as a Performance Track. It creates a physical audio file and that's the best fail safe and back up possible.
BIAB 2025:RB 2025, Latest builds: Dell Optiplex 7040 Desktop; Windows-10-64 bit, Intel Core i7-6700 3.4GHz CPU and 16 GB Ram Memory.
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