To start with, I'm a +50 year registered independent, moderate voter. I lean a little left on social issues and a little right on fiscal ones. I don't like either extreme.

I'm the swing voter both parties try to woo and I've criticized and/or applauded politicians from both sides of the divide.

I've posted these before and got a lot of flack.

Both FOX and MSNBC give over 50% lies. Don't believe either one. From Politifact, a Pulitzer prize fact checker that treats and/or trashes both left and right sides equally. They are simply fact checkers, not fake news agents or news agents of any kind.



Add the numbers up. Can you trust either FOX or MSNBC to tell you the truth?

Those who trash CNN and NPR need to wake up. You are the victims of fake news. I understand they disagree with FOX and MSNBC a lot, but remember FOX and MSNBC both lie a lot. CNN and NPR are quite reliable. They have the best truth scores.

Also from Politifact:



I believe nothing left of The Atlantic or right of The Hill. These two lean left and right but are basically reliable.

You can believe what you want, but if you choose to believe a source that feeds you over 50% lies, you are being played.

Originally Posted By: etcjoe
<...>Having said all that I respect everyone's right to have their own opinion, I served 20 years on the Navy in my way to try to defend that right. So don't take anything I have said here as an attack.

First of all, thank you for your service to our country. According to Trump are you a loser or a sucker?

My daughter and grand-daughter are both currently serving as is my son-in-law, they have done tours in the middle east combat zones and not one of them is a loser or sucker. They are patriots serving our country (without begging out due to ficticious heel spurs). My daughter and son-in-law are lifers.

I resent Trump's comments and his continued trashing of those who gave the ultimate sacrifice and the Gold Star families. If Pelosi or Obama called service men or women losers, what would you say to that?

@edshaw Do you really think the Chinese would develop a bio-weapon and let it loose on their own population? I find that very hard to believe.

The fact is Trump lied for 6 weeks and mega-thousands of people died directly because of that. IMO that's mass murder. Meanwhile the politicians were adjusting their stock portfolios putting their financial gains in front of the lives of their constituents.

Trump lied, people died.

Trump was a super-spreader of this virus because he told us; not to wear masks, it's a hoax, it'll disappear by may, it's just the flu, and so on. Trump fired the pandemic team experts before the virus hit. Trump ignored the medical exports and instead told us to do stupid things like inject bleach into our veins. This is not what I think is presidential action.

Sorry to be so political, but this about the virus, and this was botched by the people in charge. I can't discuss it without being political.

I have no vendetta against either party, I have voted for Democrats, Republicans and 'third party' candidates in the past. The fact is this administration failed to protect the people they are responsible for protecting.

You can quote all the FOX talking points you like, but remember when FOX news pundits are fact checked, 60% of what they say ranges from "Mostly false" to "Pants On Fire" lies.

Seek the truth, not what supports your chosen candidate.

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