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Every year about this time I start thinking about moving some where much cooler with no hurricanes. Every "there" has something. Earthquakes and fires out west, tornadoes in the midwest, searing heat in the southwest, brutal winters in the northeast, brutal heat and hurricanes down south. And the more I looked at relocating, I realized for the short winters we have in Ohio, it's not that bad here. Then I look around at all the "stuff" I have collected up and all the work to load it up and unload it on the other end. They have people for that. I don't know what Brent gets for studio time in Nashville but I am sure it is not cheap. If you believe online metrics, his net worth is 17 million, so yes, he is not cheap. As I get older my ability to play guitar gets less and less. My aching arthritic hands feel your pain, bro. At least I have a wonderful wife who puts up with all that. I have had 3. None were anything approaching "wonderful". But when you figure they were dumb enough to marry ME....
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He did have 7 goals and 15 assists in his entire career! I wonder why he is not in the hall of fame  Or was that the hall of shame  How many penalty minutes? 340! That explains a lot!
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Hi all, really interesting thread. My own experience:
I've been using BIAB for about 9 months now, and have only scraped the surface of what it can do, but to be honest that's enough for me.
My songs are fairly basic so I haven't needed to delve too deep to get something that I think sounds good. Though I've only done 6 so far, so still early days!
Despite having written songs for years my musical theory knowledge is awful - I still don't know the names of some of the chords I use on guitar - but at least BIAB doesn't laugh at me for it :-)
I miss the excitement and adventure of going to a studio to record with mates in the band, but as we were all amateurs our results were the same level. As the songwriter I always felt that the songs could sound better.
With BIAB I can now get a really professional recording that I would never be able to achieve otherwise.
There is a lot to learn to with all the tech, inc DAWs, mixing & mastering etc. and sometimes it feels that you get further away from the thing you love, the actual writing, but I couldn't go back to the old ways now!
I've been very lucky to find an online vocalist through Fivver who has been very easy to work with and who I felt got the songs straight away. I know there are lots of excellent drummers on there as well, so that may be worth looking at.
I think you should turn it on again :-)
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Hi David, I continue to use BIAB. I like the program for many reasons. I also have used people from the internet sites but with mixed results. That is also true in a very few cases with live studio musicians. Here is a look at a song I wrote with friends. This was live, one take. No one in this group of people had any idea how this song would go. Totally on the fly. Myself, the drummer, and the bass player played the basic harmonic track. Everything else you hear was done one track at a time. The vocal was one take, and Robert the steel player sang the song without ever have seen the lyrics. We also were not trying to create some polished piece of work. Fun stuff between musicians we all knew. https://youtu.be/lE8PABawHEsBilly
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[Despite having written songs for years my musical theory knowledge is awful - I still don't know the names of some of the chords I use on guitar - but at least BIAB doesn't laugh at me for it :-)]
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Despite having written songs for years my musical theory knowledge is awful - I still don't know the names of some of the chords I use on guitar - but at least BIAB doesn't laugh at me for it :-)
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Here are a couple of programs that may help you discover what chord(s) you are playing. I jam with a finger picking guitarist whom just fingers some chords and has no idea what they are called. I can usually figure them out myself but sometimes I have to use the first program listed. The second program gives you the fingerings for many chords. I hope this helps. https://www.oolimo.com/guitarchords/analyzehttps://www.oolimo.com/guitarchords/find
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Cool software Mario. The chord finder certainly has chords I do not know on guitar.
The ability for the software to arpeggiate the chord is useful. Some of the chords I would have little idea how to use. C13b9 for example. It would be cool if there was a software that could put that chord in context.
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“Well…” Saint Peter, hesitated, “God’s got this girlfriend who thinks she can sing…”
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I can relate to your experience. Yeah, there's a lot to learn. Songwriting, recording, music production, mixing and mastering, hardware and software and probably a few other things too....
Personally, I love this software and have taken the time to learn what I need to learn to do what I need to do.
Yeah, you don't necessarily have to write commercially viable songs in order to have a good time and enjoy this.
For the vast majority, this is a hobby. Like any hobby, it's supposed to be fun and enjoyable. Otherwise, why do it? Like any hobby, you have to dig into the details to learn how to get better. If you decided to paint landscapes, or weave baskets, or play golf, you would have to spend the time to learn that hobby to do it correctly. This is no different.
Hiring the studio musicians is just not an affordable way to do this hobby when you have the tools here to do it right. The cost of one Nashville or LA session will easily pay for one of the higher level Band in a Box versions. Do a couple of studio sessions and you have the funds to buy a decent computer, seriously good interface and studio monitors. I'm not sure what you're currently using, but adding something as simple as Ozone to your mix will take it to the next level sonically. I tell folks if you ever try the demo version of Ozone, be prepared to buy it because it's that good in the preset settings.
You have access to all of the folks here. You mentioned Floyd.... there's quite a few others who are putting out studio quality work. Ask them questions. I started in the Cakewalk forums with out BB. I was recording using my talents and midi plus the audio stuff I could play. I collaborated with keyboard players and fiddle players and singers over there. Getting others to work with you can be difficult but when you find the right folks it's really fun and inspiring.
Sounds like you're almost to the point of throwing in the towel and calling it quits. I can't talk you into anything, but I'd suggest trying again to connect with a few folks and ask questions. Ask people to play parts for you that you know, know what they're doing and can play and sing. Ask people to comment on the technicals of the songs you record and get their feedback with solutions. I used to do that all the time in the Cakewalk forum when it existed. That's how you learn, and that's how you improve.
It's like a journey of a thousand miles.... you make it one step at a time.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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Hi David, We also were not trying to create some polished piece of work. Fun stuff between musicians we all knew. https://youtu.be/lE8PABawHEsBilly Hi Billy, yes I know what you mean, bouncing off others when you're on the same wavelength is a joy when it gels - I always found band rehearsals more fun as we tended to suffer from red light fever in the studio! It's great you have video of it.
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Sorry! I started off as a drummer if that allows me any leeway? :-)
Here are a couple of programs that may help you discover what chord(s) you are playing.
Thanks Mario, I've tried a few apps and sites but they often give conflicting results - that one gave me an A6(11) so I will try that in BIAB and see if it's one of the ones I'm after. Cheers, David
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Oh No!!! This is just enough to get Eddie going again!!
Eddie will remain silent on this one. He is at least trying!!!
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Hi Herb,
I have no intentions of stopping my use of BIAB. I also will continue to collaborate with musicians over the internet, both here in the USA and in other countries.
There is nothing inherently wrong with any software method of creating music.
Software can not currently duplicate live interaction with other musicians any more than a DJ can replace a live band. Perhaps we will have AI's in the not to distant future that will. This is not to say high quality music can not be created with software because it can.
As far as cost....nothing is cheap in today's world. About $600 to play a round of golf at Pebble Beach. Add $145 more for a caddie. It cost me a thousand dollars ever time I set foot on my boat. The boat is a nothing little 28 foot center console with twin 250 HP outboards. Cost $158,000. Cost 6 to 7K per year to maintain. The house in Marathon...don't even ask. I sold my airplane, to old to fly, can't afford the $400 per hour to use it.
I am no longer willing to work a hundred hours a week to afford a lot of the stuff I use to do.
So in the scheme of things a couple of thousand dollars for some studio time is no more expensive than going fishing. Please don't misconstrue what I am saying and think I am some rich guy because I am not. I have worked my rear end off for sixty years to acquire a few things. I still work...just not so hard.
I find that creating something in BIAB is pretty easy IF you start in BIAB and stay within the pre recorded concepts it contains. I find it super difficult to use for musical ideas developed outside of the software. Herb, your a guitar player, go listen to the three guitar players in the video a few post back. Show me how you could ever even come closed to duplicating that in BIAB. Does a Tom Anderson guitar sound like a PRS? (there are two Anderson guitars and one PRS in the video). You will never find that level of detail in any software.
While we are on the subject of guitars, which are plentiful in BIAB, please explain to me how it would be possible to get close to a Gary Moore style solo as in Parisienne Walkways. You and I can play the solo, perhaps we don't have a vintage Les Paul and a couple of Marshall amps but if we played it you could recognize it. I am just using this as an example that anyone can go listen to on the internet. This is what I mean about starting with a concept outside of BIAB. I have tried without success just to get BIAB to play out just the chord structure. Perhaps that could be done, I don't know. Can you tell BIAB to arpeggiate a chord in a defined manner?
Well...enough of all this...I want to go play some guitar on a middle eastern song a friend of mine is writing. Gives me a chance to learn a few new words in Arabic...lol It hopefully will distract him from all the brutal crap that is going on in Beirut.
Cheers,
Billy
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Oh No!!! This is just enough to get Eddie going again!!
Eddie will remain silent on this one. He is at least trying!!! So that duct tape I sent you is working 
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Oh No!!! This is just enough to get Eddie going again!!
Eddie will remain silent on this one. He is at least trying!!! So that duct tape I sent you is working MMMmmmfffftt ifffzzz.....
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Please explain to me how it would be possible to get close to a Gary Moore style solo as in Parisienne Walkways. If you can play that well to come close to Gary Moore's solo and style in general, you don't need software to generate the solos. Use it for the Hammond pads and such, but play the guitar yourself if you have those chops. And I don't know that the software was ever designed to try and copy other people's solos. It's a bunch of generic clips that you stitch together. They would get sued right into Puget Sound if they had a note for note rip of a Gary Moore solo. The image of that reminds me of when a guy here posted an ad on Craigslist for players to do a Dream Theater tribute band. I called him JUST to ask him in person "If you can even find people who play at that level, do you think they are looking for a gig on frickin' Craigslist? If somebody can play like Petrucci or Rudess, they have all the work they can handle. And why do they need YOU?" He hung up.
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Please explain to me how it would be possible to get close to a Gary Moore style solo as in Parisienne Walkways. If you can play that well to come close to Gary Moore's solo and style in general, you don't need software to generate the solos. Use it for the Hammond pads and such, but play the guitar yourself if you have those chops. And I don't know that the software was ever designed to try and copy other people's solos. It's a bunch of generic clips that you stitch together. They would get sued right into Puget Sound if they had a note for note rip of a Gary Moore solo. The image of that reminds me of when a guy here posted an ad on Craigslist for players to do a Dream Theater tribute band. I called him JUST to ask him in person "If you can even find people who play at that level, do you think they are looking for a gig on frickin' Craigslist? If somebody can play like Petrucci or Rudess, they have all the work they can handle. And why do they need YOU?" He hung up. Eddie's right. A UserTrack or Artist Performance Track will do the trick. And bypassing the legalities, BIAB software will accept a note for note rip off of a Gary Moore solo if you wish. The capability is built into the programming and design of the software to work combined with RealTracks, Supermidi and Midi. PG Music would not be involved with the content produced.
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Several things. No one can play like Gary Moore and for sure not me.
I have no intent to do a cover of a Gary Moore song.
Obviously if I could come close to playing his solo I would not need BIAB to do that. I have played a cover version live. Did it sound just like Gary Moore, no. Could you recognize the solo, yes.
If I did create a note for note cover using BIAB and played it live in a club no one would say a word as long as the club had their ducks lined up.
PG Music is not responsible for how I use there product. I may have signed some agreement by purchasing their software that I am unaware of but that is another issue.
No one here or PG Music knows if I have permission to cover any song.
All this abject fear of copywrite infringement is a function of not understand what is legal and what is not.
There are hundreds of Gary Moore covers on youtube. Is that a good thing? Depends on who you ask. If you post a link to one of them does that make PG Music responsible for copywrite infringement?
There is no midi file on earth that can be made to sound like Gary Moore or me or you or anyone else. His solo can be written in standard notation, note for note and then what? You still have to play it.
I would like someone to take one measure of a Gary Moore solo or any one else for that matter and recreate it in BIAB. In fact I will play you one bar of a solo and post the file and you duplicate it in BIAB.
Please just show me.
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<< I would like someone to take one measure of a Gary Moore solo or any one else for that matter and recreate it in BIAB. In fact I will play you one bar of a solo and post the file and you duplicate it in BIAB.
Please just show me. >>
I have an BIAB project that I've recreated a backing track to replace most of the original instrumentation. I did sample some 'signature' parts including the solo but I'm not sure that is what you're really seeking. My speculation is you mean to use custom, distinct signature riffs, solos created from existing BIAB RealTrack audio files content.
While signature parts don't exist in existing BIAB included or provided content, the program itself provides the means to create and include these parts in any BIAB project. If you play one bar of a solo and post the file, I can duplicate it in BIAB. Anyone can do the same with one measure of a Gary Moore solo or anyone else as well. Digital editing and sampling has progressed to such a level that simple software like Audacity is capable of isolating and capturing high quality samples that can be used in a DAW or BIAB.
Billy, if you or anyone is interested in downloading and reviewing and studying my recent BIAB project SGU that includes the 'sampled' tracks and a reference of the original song and final render can PM me for the Dropbox link and I'll provide the link you can download.
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Charlie,
Once again, you are proving yourself to be a stand up guy.
Just like you did when I needed help a year or less ago.
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Thanks Charlie, I will PM you. I certainly would like to understand this process.
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Charlie,
Once again, you are proving yourself to be a stand up guy.
Just like you did when I needed help a year or less ago.
Thanks Thanks for your kind words Bob. Much appreciated. Charlie
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This collection includes Disco, slap bass ‘70s/‘80s pop, modern and ‘80s metal with Andy Wood, and a unique “Songwriter Potpourri” featuring Chinese folk instruments, piano, banjo, and more. You’ll also find a muted electric guitar style (a RealTracks first!) and “Producer Layered Guitar” styles for slick "produced" sound.
Country, Americana & Praise (Sets 462–467):
We’ve added new RealTracks across bro country, Americana, praise & worship, vintage country, and songwriter piano. Highlights include Brent Mason (electric guitar), Eddie Bayers (drums), Doug Jernigan (pedal steel), John Jarvis (piano), Glen Duncan (banjo, mandolin & fiddle), Mike Harrison (electric bass) and more—offering everything from modern sounds to heartfelt Americana styles
Check out all the 202 New RealTracks (in sets 456-467)
And, if you are looking for more, the 2025 49-PAK (for $49) includes an additional 20 RealTracks with exciting new sounds and genre-spanning styles. Enjoy RealTracks firsts like Chinese instruments (guzheng & dizi), the bandoneon in an authentic Argentine tango trio, and the classic “tic-tac” baritone guitar for vintage country.
You’ll also get slick ’80s metal guitar from Andy Wood, modern metal with guitarist Nico Santora, bass player Nick Schendzielos, and drummer Aaron Stechauner, more praise & worship, indie-folk, modern/bro country with Brent Mason, and “Songwriter Americana” with Johnny Hiland.
Plus, enjoy user-requested styles like Soul Jazz RealDrums, fast Celtic Strathspey guitar, and Chill Hop piano & drums!
The 2025 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2025 49-PAK!
Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Mac!
With your version 2025 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons FREE! Or upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 33 new RealTracks and 65+ new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 29 new RealTracks and 45+ new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 20 new RealStyles.
- Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana
- Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano
- Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7
- Playable RealTracks Set 4
- RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark
- SynthMaster Sounds and Styles (with audio demos)
- 128 GM MIDI Patch Audio Demos.
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyles,
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster,
- Instrumental Studies Set 23: More '80s Hard Rock Soloing,
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster
- Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8
- RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®!
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Mac!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
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