I hate them also.

Sometimes a CD/DVD opener will work on them:

https://www.walmart.com/ip/EZ-CD-113-067...94f753373389cc9


I'm no longer allowed to go caroling at the psych hospital.
I guess Do You Hear What I Hear was a bad song choice!

64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware