I hate them also.

Sometimes a CD/DVD opener will work on them:

https://www.walmart.com/ip/EZ-CD-113-067...94f753373389cc9


Life is short so make sure you spend as much time as possible on the Internet arguing with strangers.

64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware