My music computer had a major crash. My power supply went faulty but fortunately it only messed up my SSD C drive, at least that's what the computer repair shop said. I did pull the C drive out and cloned it as a backup but unbeknown to me it was after the drive was scrambled, thus the backups are no good.
The shop tried to save my C drive data but to no avail. So when I get my computer back I have to reinstall and register everything.
So my question is what is a good software cloning program. I want one that does an exact bit by bit copy, that is no compression. I have checked on line and have seen programs like Paragon, EaseUS To Do Backup, etc. Does anyone have any suggestions.
Note that I have used Acronis before and had problems with it so I am not interested in that one.
Thanx in advance for your help.
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I had a 2TB c:\ drive that I upgraded to 3TB a couple of months ago. The 2TB drive had three partitions. In the process of cloning I resized the partitions for better use of space on the 3TB drive.
I used Acronis to do this. Every thing ran smoothly and my computer booted up perfectly afterwards. I needed to re-register a couple of programs but not all of them.
So, after this, I'm an Acronis fan. (I used Acronis 2015. I imagine that Acronis 2020 would be even easier to work with.)
I also had Acronis fail and am reluctant to rely on them again. My method is to keep multiple copies of data and installation programs in several computers in several locations, including large portable SSD drives. I will read this thread with interest to see what else is recommended.
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I use Carbon Copy Cloner via two external drives that I swap each month keeping one in our safety deposit box. I run them once per week. Forgive me if there isn’t a PC version. I reside in Apple Land
And, as a Mac user all my selected folders are backed up multiple times daily when I make changes to files or create new ones, etc.
Bud
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A program that works well for me is +++ Lazesoft Recovery Suite +++. The software is small at 32 MB, stable and VERY easy to use. It is available in both free and paid versions with free for home and paid for commercial.
For backups, I use Macrium Reflect (paid version). I have also had issues with Acronis. Reflect is available as a Free version for personal use.
There is another product that I have used successfully to recover lost files: R-Studio They have a demo version (with limitations)
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I do use Acronis, but have also had some issues with it. It doesn't handle things well if there are any errors on the disc (I have reported this and they have indicated it shouyd be fixed in the new 2021 version recently released). They also do a sector-by-sector copy, but I've never tried that feature.
I'll be testing 2021 in the next few weeks.
I have also used it to do a disc-to-disc clone from a failing drive which ran very successfully (even going from a larger to smaller drive with different partition sizes).
I know you didn't want to hear about Acronis, but I just wanted to share my recent experiences, not to change your mind, but maybe to stay open to consideration.
I suspect all of the programs have issues at times. While the backup may take longer, it's a good idea to turn on the verify checking, because you won't know until you have to restore, and then it's too late.
Another thing I've done in the past is to just do a disc-to-disc clone (with like discs) and make the setting to duplicate the disc ID. That way, if a disc dies, I just pop in the backup and I'm up and running and all apps are still authorized. You just have to be careful not to mount that disc on the same commuter because the OS doesn't know how to deal with two OS discs with the same disc ID.
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Being a long time user of Acronis I have decided to ditch it, I hate the latest GUI and though I have tried to learn it, I find it totally confusing and unreliable, I did stick with an older version for years 2010 which was simple to use had a nice GUI and was reliable.
But things move on and I have moved to Macrium Reflect free, easy to use, so far seems to be reliable and a nice little plus is, you can get a Macrium Reflect option in the boot menu, so all you have to do is load it form there as well as in the desktop.
So far so good with it, was really glad to get rid of Acronis from Hell.
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......................... What kind of trouble have you experienced? ........................
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I had backed up a C drive. I used Acronis and it was verified. Later my C drive crashed so I tried to use the Acronis backup. It told be the backup was bad! Actually I backed up the C drive twice and both were bad. One backup was on a brand new WD drive! I will never use a back up program that uses compression again. Fortunately all of my data was on other drives and only programs were on the C drive.
That is why I will not use Acronis again. YMMV
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I've used Acronis ever since Norton Ghost gave up the ghost and never have had a problem with it. But then, I've never had to clone a disk either.
So now you all have me a bit concerned.
What kind of trouble have you experienced?
I have had to restore disks after installing bad software. But that's a different story.
So now I need to know what is the best of the best.
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If You have an older version of Acronis then probably you are ok, my version was 2010 but no longer works on windows 10, I believe Noel has said that he uses 2015 so all seems well up to that version.
I upgraded to 2018 and the actual desktop version was totally confusing to me, as I like to try different things with software, the boot rescue cd was ok.
Its just that nowadays some backup software wants to be a ransomware protector as well and I don't like the latest Acronis GUI either.
Macrium Reflect will do all you want in its free version, backup your drives etc.
I use it instead of Acronis now but might do an occasional backup with the Acronis 2018 boot disk to be one the safe side (having two copies from different software providers) though the Acronis program is deleted from the computer.
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I have decided on Macrium Reflect. I DLed it and looked at it and it seams very easy to use, the menus are user friendly, however I haven't tried it yet. My next question is has anyone used a paid version of this program? There are a number of options in it that are not in the free version including incremental backups.
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Mario, I personally prefer just to do full drive backups and haven't tried the incremental backups, don't have a full understanding of it, but would imagine it might mean having a full drive base backup + incremental backups of any system changes and they all must be there to do a restore. Just think for myself its much simpler just to do a full backup.
On the Other tasks top of MR if you click on rescue media as well as creating a rescue DVD you can also add the MR option to the boot menu which will quickly load the program if you select that option at bootup.
Hope you have good luck with it, and fingers crossed it works well here too.
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+1 for Macrium Free version does not allow incremental backups, but I would not want that anyway.... Free worked fine for me, simply cloning active HD.
Does the Windows world have an equivalent of the Mac Time Machine that comes "built in" for incremental backups?
At any time I can click on TM and then flip through backups by day and time (many occur each day). The backups are presented to appear just like whatever your folder structure is. You just find the date and file you want to restore and one click puts it back with only an overwrite or new file option. I use it frequently to look at older versions of SGU's, DAW mixes, etc.
Not trying to hijack the thread...just curious!
Bud
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This is a good thread. I currently use Acronis TrueImage 2020 on Win 10 (glad you found an alternative you liked Mario), but I'm a bit put off by it since it now seems to only run as a GUI on Windows. The previous version would let me boot off a CD or USB and create an image from there, which was great because it would make it harder for ransomware to enter the picture. I've never had it fail on a recovery though (kow). Here's my overall strategy:
> Backup complete image of PC to external drive - No compression, no encryption. Validate by testing a restore of a few files to a temp folder (Ok, sometimes I get lazy and skip this part). > Backup copy of key data - Documents, Music, etc. to a data folder on an external drive. > Backup 2nd copy of image PC to another external drive.
Then there's an external USB drive that I store all the BIAB realtracks, virtual instruments and other junk. I keep a second USB of the same capacity and periodically copy the files over. In between I'll back up a few of my latest MGU's and SGU's to the cloud like Google Drive.
Although this is not backup/cloning related, I keep a very detailed list of all of the software I have, the original installers, the license keys, and screenshots of some of the configurations (if there is no export option).
I'm going to check out Macrium Reflect and Lazesoft - you can never have too many tools!
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I use a StarTech external dual-bay and stand-alone cloner---and never looked back. One of the best hardware investments I ever made. Every now and (regular) then I pop out the (2TB C:) drive, put it in the cloner with the target/clone drive, start it and come back to it about four hours later to a sector-by-sector "pop-me-in-instead" clone. The cloner/bay has USB and eSATA I/O, so it might even provide a faster and more convenient alternative target device for your software cloning programs. It also provides the quickest way to migrate a system drive to a larger-capacity hard drive (you will need something like Partition Master to expand the exactly-cloned original partition to the new drives larger capacity). I now have two of these units. The older unit doesn't work with drives greater than 4TB; the newer unit is tested for cloning up to 10TB (and works with pin-3 power-off "white label" drives). Price-wise, they are comparable---or even less expensive---than some software solutions. Both come with or have an optional adapter for SSDs. I regularly (generally monthly) backup/update 12 HDs and only use the hardware cloning features and Win10 Explorer. Now my data recovery issues usually only involve connecting one of the backup/archive drives, internally or externally---but never dealing with proprietary and file format issues from backup software (maybe even more critical in a RAID setup).
If the software solution works for you---great!
Paj 8^)
P.S.: . . . and, approaching the fourth decade of PC computing, I have only experienced one HD failure and that was for an external USB HD that had a set of files that warned: "Do not delete these files." Of course I managed to somehow do just that and the drive became, in the "other PC" parlance, storagely challenged. However, when I removed the drive from its casing, plugged it into my cloner/bay, I was able to format it anew and it remains fully functionally to this day. I would have to admit to creating most of my previous data issues through operational errors and most of my frustrations from discovering what can't be recovered by software at the worst possible time---when it was needed the most.
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and never have had a problem with it. But then, I've never had to clone a disk either.
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