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Moin,
Hab mir heute Biab installiert, leider läuft bei mir die Midispur nicht synchron mit den Realtracks. d.h. wenn ich eine Melodie für Midi eingebe und das dann abspielen lassen hinkt die Melodie (Midi) Spur nach. Als Beispiel Takt 1, eine einzelne Note auf Schlag 1 wird beim abspielen erst fast auf dem 2 Schlag zu hören sein.
Hat jemand eine Idee voran das liegen könnte?
mfg,
Dan
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ach ja...neuer Windows PC mit einfacher eingebauten Soundkarte...
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Hall Dan,
willkommen im Forum!
Ja, dein Problem hat eine bekannte Ursache, die sogenannte Latenz. Damit ist der Effekt gemeint, dass die Erzeugung von Audiosignalen aus MIDI-Daten etwas Rechenzeit des Prozessors in Anspruch nimmt, je nach Computerleistung mal mehr, mal weniger. Das wird besonders deutlich bei Sounderzeugung "on board".
Das heißt, wenn der entsprechende MIDI-Befehl an die Soundkarte bzw. das Soundmodul auf dem Motherboard geht, dauert es kleinen Moment bis der Klang berechnet und ausgegeben ist. Diese Zeit nennt man Latenz und sie kann zwischen praktisch unhörbaren 1 bis 5 Millisekunden liegen (bei leistungsfähigen Soundkarten oder externen Soundmodulen), aber auch schnell mal ein paar Zehntelsekunden dauern, wenn der Sound nur durch ein Onboardsoundmodul erzeugt wird – und die sind dann deutlich zu hören.
Denn der Klang der Realtracks wird beim Abspielen nicht erst generiert, sondern besteht vorher aufgenommen Audiofiles (WAV) von echten Musikern.
Werden nun beide zusammen eingesetzt kommt es zu den mehr oder weniger hörbaren Zeitverschiebungen.
Um das zu synchronisieren, findest du unter den Optionen - MIDI/Audio-Einstellungen einen Button Latenz anpassen, der mit einem kleinen Testprogramm die LAtenz deines System ermittelt und dann das Realtrack-Signal um die entsprechende Zeit verzögert, damit MIDI und Realtracks zusammenpassen.
Du kannst mit der Verwendung eines alternativen Soundttreibers aber schon einiges gewinnen. Das hängt etwas vom Betriebssystem ab, auf dem du Band in a Box laufen lässt.
Wenn du Windows bis Version 8 verwendest, solltest du statt des Standard-Windows-Soundtreibers besser ASIO4ALL einsetzen, das ist eine schnelle, prozessornahe Schnittstelle, die die Latenz schone rheblich verkürzt.
Seit Windows 10 kannst du auch das neue Microsoft eigene Protokoll WAS verwenden, das die Latenz ebenfalls deutlich reduziert. ASI4ALL kannst du kostenfrei im Internet finden und installieren.
Die dann verwendete Schnittstelle stellst dui ebenfalls in BiaB unter den Audio-Einstellungen ein.
Empfehlenswert ist die Anschaffung einer guten internen oder externen Soundkarte.
Biab/RB latest build, German Language Pak, Win 10/64 Pro, 1 TB SSD, 32 GB RAM. Notation SW Finale, StaffPad, SmartsScore – Playing Double Bass, Guitar, Piano
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Hallo Brille,
Danke für deine Antwort. Musik am PC oder mit dem PC zu machen ist absolut neu für mich. Anfang des Jahres habe ich, wegen Lockdown und Corona, mir einen PC zugelegt. Einfacher PC mit Windows10. Mir ein MotuM2 besorgt und Reaper installiert um weiter mit meinen Bands arbeiten zu können ohne dass wir uns für Proben treffen. Biab hab ich mir jetzt gekauft um mal mit Playalong's üben zu können und auch um meinen Mitmusikern meine eigenen Songideen verständlicher mitzuteilen. Zu meinem Problem, ich hab auch an die Latenz gedacht. Habe dass dann aber verworfen weil es doch eine grosse Verzögerung ist. Ausserdem hab ich ein Häckchen an den Reiter für DXI/VSTI gemacht, und da wird ja die Latenz automatisch angepasst. Scheint aber nicht zu funktionnieren. Wenn ich DXI/VSTI deaktiviere kann ich die Latenz selber einstellen, ist aber ganz schön tricky. Muss mir da etwas Zeit nehmen das dann auch gut zu machen. Ich bin durchaus bereit noch zu investieren, mir fehlt auch eine Klaviertastatur. Zu was würdest du mir denn raten, eine vernünftige Soundkarte, ext. oder int. und einfache Midi-Tastatur oder gib's da noch andere Möglichkeiten? Ist wie gesagt absolutes Neuland für mich.
PS: sorry für die Schreibweise, aber Deutsch ist nicht meine Muttersprache
mfg,
Dan
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Wäre diese Soundkarte eine gute Lösung?
Creative Soundblaster SB0570
mfg,
Dan
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Ich habe das Problem jetzt mit ASIO4ALL gelöst.....erstmal ohne weitere Soundkarte
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Wunderbar, freut mich, dass es jetzt besser klappt.
Viel Spaß weiterhin!
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Mac 2025 Special Upgrade Offers Extended Until August 15th!
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- Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana
- Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano
- Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7
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- RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark
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- Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster,
- Instrumental Studies Set 23: More '80s Hard Rock Soloing,
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- Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8
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Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
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Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Windows!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
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