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I have never used any online tool except OHM Studio which is closing up shop.
I see something called Bandlab and I guess there are several others.
In many modern DAW's, Studio One for example there are Arranger tracks that clearly state where parts of a song start and stop. Things like Intro, Verse, Bridge and so forth. This lets a vocalist working remotely know where everything starts and stops.
Evidently on fiverr, the vocalist and other session musicians are not allowed to communicate by phone or video conference (my first try at using them). Soundbetter has no such stupid rules. I get tired of trying to explain where I want a vocal to start and stop. Better if someone could see it visually.
All this abeverated communication is not my cup of tea. TGIF TTYL I'm not ROFL ICYMI...lol
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Why does the DAW have to be cloud based?
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Perhaps "cloud Based" is not the correct term for what I am looking for. I want a DAW setting somewhere where anyone can get to it. I want three or four people to be able to log into the same DAW at the same time and see what is going on. They should be able to add tracks if given permission in near real time. There should be some sort of chat box or video that would allow for communication.
OHM Studio was the only thing I ever saw that could do that. After several years it has gone away. I assume at this point there is nothing out there to replace it.
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After I posted this I tried a couple of people on fiverr. They were cheaper than soundbetter but you get what you pay for I guess.
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I don't know which one is best, but if I had to venture a guess it would be Cakewalk by BandLab.
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When I've collaborated online with other people with audio tracks, I tend to use Google Drive. Some folks also use Drop Box or other online storage sites to share files. I've not really used cloud storage options in a DAW because not everyone you work with will have that DAW. I will either post .WAV or .MP3 files (of individual tracks or the whole mix) to Google Drive from my DAW as most folks can play those.
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When I've collaborated online with other people with audio tracks, I tend to use Google Drive. Some folks also use Drop Box or other online storage sites to share files. I've not really used cloud storage options in a DAW because not everyone you work with will have that DAW. I will either post .WAV or .MP3 files (of individual tracks or the whole mix) to Google Drive from my DAW as most folks can play those. Hi Steve, I also use Dropbox a lot. One person I collaborate with uses Reaper so I have that DAW also. But none of this is what I am talking about. The DAW situation I am looking for exist on a server somewhere. I don't own it, the other people who are collaborating with me don't own it. Anyone needing to see and hear what I put in the DAW can log on and see and use the DAW with downloading anything. It's sort of like youtube, hey Steve go look at XYZ on youtube only it is a fully functioning DAW. Several people can be working in the DAW at the same time in near real time. There is a chat box to communicate in real time. Billy
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Hi Billy, Is this what you are looking for? https://blog.landr.com/best-online-daw/
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Thanks Mario...I took a quick look and now I need to study the possibilities. I may have logged on to BandLab in the past...don't remember. The blog said "Like Soundtrap, Bandlab offers collaboration tools such as video conferencing, and messaging." I will go check it out. Thanks
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From a networking point of view, I can't see ANY way that you can collaborate in real time like your original post suggested. You will always have lag. I don't know why this topic seems to become advanced calculus. Make your tracks, send them any way you like, let them make their tracks and send them back. This must go on a million times every day given the number of home recorders there are. Dropbox, wetransfer, transfernow... there are so many free FTP options. Send the file, when the other end gets it do a Zoom meeting, let the other side play along on the Zoom call for your approval, then they can record the track and send it back. Network lag is what it is. When you do a Zoom call, you see you in real time. They see you a second or more later.
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Eddie, I am aware of the speed of light...lol And yes, there is currently no way to collaborate in real time over the internet at long distances. You can, and thousands of people do collaborate in "near real time" across the world over the internet. Can you play in sink? No, It requires both parties being connected to the same DAW and communicating over video. The delay of a audio signal over the internet is distance dependent. About 16 milliseconds at 3000 miles plus whatever network latency exist. Actually, I never said "real time". This is what I posted. "They should be able to add tracks if given permission in near real time. There should be some sort of chat box or video that would allow for communication." In any event I think Bandlab may do what I want as it says it can link to Zoom...doing a test at the moment. Here is a blog that describes some but not all of the issues around remote internet collaboration. https://www.musictech.net/guides/essential-guide/getting-set-up-for-remote-collaboration/Cheers, Billy
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Also look into Team Viewer. I use that a lot for many things when I need to control someone's computer and screen share.
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Yep, I have that on all my computers for any number of reasons. It is excellent for showing someone how to do something or doing it for them. Can you imagine how to tell someone in writing how to make multiple complex registry changes and how to recover if they make a mistake?
I don't know why we don't use Team Viewer more often.
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Absolutely. I have it on every computer as well. Used it last night in fact!
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+1 on Team Viewer. Use for IT support for the wife if I'm in the office.
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In any event I think Bandlab may do what I want as it says it can link to Zoom...doing a test at the moment. Interesting, I didn't know Bandlab could link to Zoom, very cool!
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If what you're trying to do is jam/practice/create remotely, I would suggest taking a look at JamKazam. Latencies are currently pretty low, but they've been working on some new software tech that will reduce those low latencies (over internet) even further. The devs are some pretty bright guys. https://www.jamkazam.com/P.S. It's free to use!
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I first of all wanted a DAW that anyone could be directed too. It would need to be free and not require a lot of work to get too. I wanted this to be able to communicate easily with a vocalist or other musician so they would understand in detail what I wanted them to do. Secondly I wanted a replacement for OHM Studio which is closing. Ohm Studio did not actually fill the above requirements but provided a near real time software to collaborate on. There was a very active community using that site. It had its own issues. I did some testing with Bandlab today and it looked usable. There was a large amount of latency which there was a system to correct that did not work very well for me. I tried to sing into the software which was doable but pretty difficult. Loading .wav files into tracks was very easy. Loading lyrics into the box designed for notes worked very well. I don't think I would ever be creating anything in Bandlab but it is a place to store stuff that anyone can get too. Bandlab is a totally cloud based software. It would be ever so cool if they were able to use the cakewalk software that they now own. I am going to go try jamkazam as you suggested to see how it works. I really need someone to help experiment with me to see the full functionality of a couple of these software programs. Here is a link to a test BIAB song and lyrics I put up on Bandlab. There are several functions I have not tried yet like the link to Zoom. https://www.bandlab.com/revisions/33a35fcd-de13-eb11-96f5-501ac5b31de6?sharedKey=hAwrQn9ZekaVv5bmq70T6wAnyone who would like to do this can PM me. Thanks, Billy
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... I didn't know Bandlab could link to Zoom ... What does this mean, please?
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... I didn't know Bandlab could link to Zoom ... What does this mean, please? Same question. How does it “link”? You connect in Zoom and screen share like any other program. We could play chess over Zoom too if we screen share and do a collaborative remote use of the program. Bandlab is just a DAW like any other DAW, thus just another piece of software running on the host computer and shared by the remote computer. Please elaborate on what you exactly mean by link.
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... I didn't know Bandlab could link to Zoom ... What does this mean, please? Hi Matt, I have not found anyone to do this experiment with yet. So I have not actually tried to use this ability of Bandlab to link to Zoom. I assume it means that within the Bandlab program itself a video connection with someone you are working with is possible while continuing to use the DAW. There are three types of "chat boxes" that I am aware of. Written, the most common, audio, and audio with video. The way I have used video in the past is with Skype on one computer or cell phone and tracking done on a remote DAW between me and a drummer in Brisbane Au for example. The whatsapp program, which is free and allows VOIP telephone to most any place in the world also has a video ability something like face time for Apple smartphones. Everyone I know who has friends in other countries uses whatsapp. I am willing to explore any of these technologies with you or anyone else who would like to give it a try. Billy
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