pipeline. TOTALLY PERFECT !! NAILED IT > A MILLION KUDOS.
now as its night here i can go sleepy byes happy lol.
look up dictionary what a musical chorus is. its always been oddball imho how biab defines a chorus. in biab world it seems to include verses too. and intros and outtros.
whereas i think of choruses between solo singer verses. for example hallelujah,hallelujah,hallelujah is a chorus. not a verse.
the tabbed idea shown will now accommodate any music style , opera/freeform jazz/rock/chamber music/any style etc. because the tabs are user named. and defined. thats why johnjohnjohn surprised me.
anyone, name me a music style and i'll show you how the tabs would be named and defined.
you are a talent pipeline. best. muso.
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs (90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
pipeline. i realised an added bonus of the tabbed approach.
ponder this.
a tab equals a song section marker in daw multitrack software. (eg reaper vertical marker line.) (we could even call the tab a SSM.) for example in reaper i use markers extensively. an example. intro/verse1/chorus1/short lead break1/verse2/chorus2/majorleadbreak/chorus3repeat/outtro etc etc. all markers. so for me my tabs in biab would reflect same. ie 9 tabs. to correlate with 9 section markers in daw.
now consider i'm in the reaper daw (or any daw), and i'm going "nah i hate that lead guitar (from biab) at bar 80". just go to the tab (named leadbreakbar80) in biab and regen that lead, and re-export into daw, and heres the KICKER, makes lining up in daw easier cos the markers in the daw match the tabs in biab, et VOILA ! see what i mean ? TOTAL CORRELATION TWEEN DAW MARKERS AND BIAB.
ps. in your graphic example , plz could you make the tab lettering a bit bigger for us slighly vision impaired ? loverly job PL.
i cant wait for pg to implement this feature in biab !!
best. muso. ps i hope pg staff read this.
Last edited by justanoldmuso; 11/18/2001:52 AM.
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs (90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
In the save to MID option there is Write Section Text as Text Events but it's not the Chord Sheet Section Layer Text, it's Notation Section Text. That would give the section names in Reaper.
pipeline. god how i wish your tabbed dialog pg had for 2021 biab version. beautifull. just beautifull. I WANT IT NOW lol.
every happiness to you. muso.
Last edited by justanoldmuso; 11/19/2004:03 AM.
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs (90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
You could do it all in Reaper with Multiple Biab Plugins with the different sections, you could even have a tabbed GUI that would select each Plugin for the different Sections. You could get it to play back the sections in a linear mode. You could have them displayed in a Chord Sheet the same as Biab.
pipeline. thats essentially how ive done it in the past. one biab file for intro, another for verses, another for leads, another for out to coda etc etc. and for major song key changes even more biab files. then i put it all together in reaper. one reason i like reaper is i can move audio around easily. and deep edit easily.
frankly i wish pg would hire you with all your graphics and other talents.
one option i was thinking of was like some other music software. linear horizontal layout of chords in bars || at the top. then going down left hand side 16 instrument traks. sorta like this chord view idea. (i'm lousy at graphics) ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------- chords> Dm|G|F|A5||C2|Dm7|F11|Bsus||Em|Asus|D7|Fm||etcetc ------------------------------------------------------------- bass drums piano gtr1 gtr2 mdy1 mdy2 solo1 solo2 etc etc to 16 user defined RT's and/or mids etc etc. and maybe a couple of audio traks. per bar genning or group of bars of course etc etc. ie linear approach starting at left and going to the right. and vertical named bar lines etc etc with bar markers. (similar to reapers song markers that i use extensively.) note || = end of bar/beginning of next sorta idea. no of chords per bar would be user defined. totally flexible. just drag chords to the chord line from a store of chords idea.
i would love to see one of your great graphics of above. the vertical marker lines would be named intro, or verse 1 , or key changer, or whatever user defines.
best. muso.
Last edited by justanoldmuso; 11/19/2002:21 PM.
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs (90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
I asked for a linear chord track in RealBand years ago. The trouble with Biab it was made for auto accompaniment and has been added and added onto the old 90's code, that has limitation due to the DOS era. The problem is so many users are stuck in Biab and it's slow to develop. I'm trying to get PG to put all the generate code into the BB Plugin so it's not dependent on BBW4 (Biab) running in the background. This will allow the BB Plugin to develop at lightning speed as it won't be hindered by the old 90's code issues. So for all those that use Biab for tracks in their DAW, you should be pushing more this way, as it will be the future unless Biab gets a total rewrite. But if you need Biab here's another way A VST to send Tempo/Play/Stop/Loop/Continue to main Biab app from DAW
I got frustrated with it all so I went to Reaper and I can make it do what Biab can't just with scripting, no waiting 10 years for something to be added or fixed. I made scripts to integrate Biab and BB Plugin into Reaper.
There's an example below all done with scripting, so you can have multiple Region(Chord) tracks same with markers. There's a chord sheet to display the region chords, it can switch from track to track (group to group), you could switch from section to section with all sections starting at bar 1 and just solo the parent track in the section group.
pipeline. can ANY software do the linear chord idea i outlined above ?
ive never looked into it, but can rapid composer or capn chords or scaler ? or any others ? i just want a simple song creation life. lol. its impressive what youve done in reaper.
fyi years ago when i was useing pg powertraks i used to get all sorts of "snarky" comments. but while other people had trouble doing a song in their "fancy rigs". i was pumping out songs.
then when reaper came out i got the same "disdain" for telling everyone it was gonna change things. lol. now the big boys are useing it includeing good old "auntie beeb" i hear. and radio people , i guess cos of ripple editing etc etc. then you had people , like some i know calling biab "elevator music" until i showed them a rock song being done in it. "oh wow you can do THAT". lol. it baffles me how some music people are set in their ways. so i always keep an open mind.
best. silly old muso.
Last edited by justanoldmuso; 11/20/2005:20 AM.
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs (90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
Not sure what you want exactly, I thought you just meant a horizontal chord track ?? Rapid composer is the best one to try, it will work as a VST in Biab. It has song sections that you can rearrange/copy to play in any order. It has chords/progression you can drag n drop. It has audio tracks that are a work in progress.
pipeline. (btw i was telling my wife bout your brilliant graphics and showing her. she asked if you worked on pipelines ? i'm curious too lol.)
yes looks like Rcomposer i should try. yes i want that linear approach. chords at top , instruments down left hand side.
if the aggressive reaper devs ever get into auto accompaniement integration features, watch out world lol.
best. muso.
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs (90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
pipeline. your user name of course. fyi i scuba dived in hawaii. loved it.
the ventures did the pipeline song. sadly they have lost some members in past years. its amazeing how few traks they had then and what they accomplished on those surf songs.
ive been checking out Rcomposer. do you use vsti's with midi in RC ? what do you use ?
best. muso.
Last edited by justanoldmuso; 11/20/2002:06 PM.
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs (90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
You use the soundfonts inside the RCvst or your own soundfonts you add to the list. The best way is Load KV Element into Biab then drag the RCvst3 into Element, if you are running Biab as admin you will need to drag it in using a file explorer running as admin (like Explorer++). This way you can route midi channels out of RCvst to Virtual Instruments. Make sure you have the EXT button top left in Element on to sync. RapidComposer is always having sales, see the News page.
And I just looked there and: November 16, 2020: RapidComposer v4.0 released with 25% intro offer! You can upgrade anytime to the full version just paying the difference. http://www.musicdevelopments.com/news.html
If you get it, get the Beta version after and go to to the Beta forum, if you suggest features they are usually implemented very quick.
pipeline. thats essentially how ive done it in the past. one biab file for intro, another for verses, another for leads, another for out to coda etc etc. and for major song key changes even more biab files. then i put it all together in reaper. one reason i like reaper is i can move audio around easily. and deep edit easily.
Originally Posted By: justanoldmuso
pipeline. i realised an added bonus of the tabbed approach.
ponder this.
a tab equals a song section marker in daw multitrack software. (eg reaper vertical marker line.) (we could even call the tab a SSM.) for example in reaper i use markers extensively. an example. intro/verse1/chorus1/short lead break1/verse2/chorus2/majorleadbreak/chorus3repeat/outtro etc etc. all markers. so for me my tabs in biab would reflect same. ie 9 tabs. to correlate with 9 section markers in daw.
now consider i'm in the reaper daw (or any daw), and i'm going "nah i hate that lead guitar (from biab) at bar 80". just go to the tab (named leadbreakbar80) in biab and regen that lead, and re-export into daw, and heres the KICKER, makes lining up in daw easier cos the markers in the daw match the tabs in biab, et VOILA ! see what i mean ? TOTAL CORRELATION TWEEN DAW MARKERS AND BIAB.
ps i hope pg staff read this.
Interesting ideas but how about considering when you're in Reaper or any DAW and go "nah i hate that lead guitar (from biab) at bar 80" KNOWING that using your current workflow you've detailed above of saving each section of your song as an BIAB SGU file that you open in your DAW that you can edit and review and regenerate those saved files from within BIAB BEFORE you commit to moving them to your DAW. You can save a ton of time and work.
BIAB has long had a feature that allows you to make a playlist of SGU files, edit the key signature, tempo and delegate the bars and number of bars to play and even have BIAB construct up to 16 bars of transitions between each section.
For instance, you create a sgu of bars 1-4 named Intro 5-12 named Verse 1 13-21 named Chorus 22-26 named Outro to play into a 4 bar ending...
You will have 4 individual SGU files playing in sequence your song project. If you don't like the solo in the Chorus, you can edit it by opening up just the SGU file containing the Chorus material, edit and change by regenerating only the guitar solo part, save the file using the same name of the original file (overwrite the original) and when you recreate the Medley, the new edited soloist will play leaving all of the other sections intact. This feature allows for Bar To Bar regeneration in BIAB as well as allows the user to hear his entire project before committing to moving the various SGU files over to a DAW for further processing.
This is the Song Medley Feature of BIAB
It is accessed from Tools\Song Form\Medley Maker Medley Maker creates a complete SGU file from the list of songs that can be rendered, saved or both...
It's simple, easy, stable and operates within your current workflow.
You Should try it.
Here's a screen shot of a Medley Chord sheet I created using your file saving workflow to create a 16 bar complete song from 3 saved files.
I would like that the Biab vst can insert in our daw, a midi track taking up whole chords of the melody with three or four notes not sliced. to allow us to easily create sound layers.
Maybe more orchestral realtracks (style quarted strings)
For biab radio, it would be interesting to have a different style for everything that does not correspond to country, rock or jazz or Latin.
charlie. i'm well aware of those features, and many thanks for your effort. BUT what i want is on page 2 of this thread, pipelines graphic in thread no #623647 - 11/17/20. a TABBED CHORD VIEW. pl's graphic is exactly what i want.
best. oldmuso.
my songs....mixed for good earbuds...(fyi..my vocs on all songs..) https://soundcloud.com/alfsongs (90 songs created useing bb/rb) (lots of tips of mine in pg tips forum.)
charlie. i'm well aware of those features, and many thanks for your effort. BUT what i want is on page 2 of this thread, pipelines graphic in thread no #623647 - 11/17/20. a TABBED CHORD VIEW. pl's graphic is exactly what i want.
best. oldmuso.
I understand. I was addressing that you can build, audition and correct your saved sgu files before you export them and find out you need to redo something. I wasn't sure you were aware that could be done in BIAB before exporting as you didn't mention it as part of your work flow. Having tabbed chord view could be beneficial to some for sure. I use Section Text and Part Markers and save sections as sgu files currently.
As everyone knows I am a big proponent of a complete rewrite for many reasons. ....
I was thinking that they could get away from the the old Delphi code in bbw (BBW4 that the Plugin uses in the background) and translate only the basic functions to "Generate" to the Plugin code, then I started my PC and a wallpaper came up in the spotlight logon screen, it was called Delphi, and it is an old ruins, still standing but only just, was that a message or what ? See moving just the needed code over to the Plugin language will let the Plugin develop at lighting speed rather than the nightmare of trying to update the old Delphi bbw with real time signatures, more chords per bar, more bars (over 255), decimal point tempos.
What specifically is the problem you have with Delphi code? I'd love to know what you feel it's limitations are.
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