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Drum clicks at end of SGU - 2021 #630486 12/15/20 11:27 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP sixchannel Veteran Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,250 WEST MIDLANDS, UK	I'm sure I've seen this before but cant find it. Using Win 10, if I load any existing SGU (which still play perfectly OK on 2020 on my Win7 drive) I get a double click or maybe its a drum hit right at the end, on or after the last bar. Any ideas why and if there's a fix please? Ian Last edited by sixchannel; 12/16/20 02:21 AM. Old Guys Rule.The older I get,the better I was! BB2023 ULTRA, 1013, Win 7 and 10 ALL TRACKS - https://app.box.com/s/501rnzrbadng1elvi45hbf7y08kl5oxp SOUNDCLOUD-tracks using BB- http://soundcloud.com/sixchannel Videos- https://youtube.com/user/Sixchannel1

Re: Drum clicks at end of every SGU - 2021 sixchannel #630504 12/15/20 11:52 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Matt Finley Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 27,035 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY	Yes, you've seen & heard this before. I don't know if it was solved or just went away. My theory at the time was that you are hearing the first beat of the count-off as it loops. Although this is a wild guess, try making sure Looping is not on for that song. BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.

Re: Drum clicks at end of SGU - 2021 sixchannel #630608 12/16/20 02:25 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP sixchannel Veteran Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,250 WEST MIDLANDS, UK	Hi Matt The Loops box is unchecked AND also set to NEVER LOOP. Back to back test with 2020 (734) vs 2021 (808 and 809) - 2020 - it doesn't occur 2021 - it does. Ian Old Guys Rule.The older I get,the better I was! BB2023 ULTRA, 1013, Win 7 and 10 ALL TRACKS - https://app.box.com/s/501rnzrbadng1elvi45hbf7y08kl5oxp SOUNDCLOUD-tracks using BB- http://soundcloud.com/sixchannel Videos- https://youtube.com/user/Sixchannel1

Re: Drum clicks at end of SGU - 2021 sixchannel #630621 12/16/20 04:12 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Matt Finley Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 27,035 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY	On version 2021, does this happen every time, every song? BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.

Re: Drum clicks at end of SGU - 2021 sixchannel #630636 12/16/20 05:17 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP sixchannel Veteran Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,250 WEST MIDLANDS, UK	Hi Matt As far as I can tell its not every song. I cant yet delineate what and which ones it does it on. This is what it sounds like on the latest one - https://app.box.com/s/lcuujpwcgyafvz8b6of33wqmc1wl1v0y (its that Rumba thing I was messing with, if you recall giving me that advice.) FWIW - the same SGU on 2020 on my WIn7 drive, not updated yet to 2021, plays it fine without any clicks. Ian Last edited by sixchannel; 12/16/20 05:19 AM. Reason: extra Old Guys Rule.The older I get,the better I was! BB2023 ULTRA, 1013, Win 7 and 10 ALL TRACKS - https://app.box.com/s/501rnzrbadng1elvi45hbf7y08kl5oxp SOUNDCLOUD-tracks using BB- http://soundcloud.com/sixchannel Videos- https://youtube.com/user/Sixchannel1

Re: Drum clicks at end of SGU - 2021 sixchannel #630639 12/16/20 05:24 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP sixchannel Veteran Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,250 WEST MIDLANDS, UK	Extra info - I run BB on 64bit. I just tried it on 32 bit and YES it still does it BUT rather than 2 snare hits (?) I get a snare hit and then a hihat hit. So to me its coming from the RD - but how? Ian extra extra - I have just run the SGU in 2021 RB 64bit - NO CLICKS! Last edited by sixchannel; 12/16/20 05:53 AM. Old Guys Rule.The older I get,the better I was! BB2023 ULTRA, 1013, Win 7 and 10 ALL TRACKS - https://app.box.com/s/501rnzrbadng1elvi45hbf7y08kl5oxp SOUNDCLOUD-tracks using BB- http://soundcloud.com/sixchannel Videos- https://youtube.com/user/Sixchannel1

Re: Drum clicks at end of SGU - 2021 sixchannel #630650 12/16/20 06:47 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Matt Finley Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 27,035 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY	Based on the last time this happened, I think we need help. I suggest you write to support@pgmusic.com and reference this thread. BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.

Re: Drum clicks at end of SGU - 2021 sixchannel #630655 12/16/20 07:18 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,232 Wauconda	Can you share the .sgu file. In the past we would at times attribute such behavior to a corrupt .sgu file. Then it was often observed that if you ran the .sgu in RB it would fix it. Then save the .sgu from RB and open again in BIAB. Maybe....

Re: Drum clicks at end of SGU - 2021 sixchannel #630728 12/16/20 12:24 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Matt Finley Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 27,035 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY	Dan, I don’t think a long group of empty bars at the end of a song does any harm. Since having too short a number of measures does cause a problem, such as clipping a fade out, I always add many empty bars at the end. And yes, muting the drums before the end is standard practice for me after enduring the clunk problem for so long. All of my songs have this and I would never have heard this problem. BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.

Re: Drum clicks at end of SGU - 2021 sixchannel #630814 12/17/20 12:45 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP sixchannel Veteran Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,250 WEST MIDLANDS, UK	Dan - thanks for the 'fixed' SGU. Much appreciated. Like Matt says, As BB standard endings rarely give me what I want, as in this case, I often extend the number of bars so I get a good fade on the final A... and trim the c--p off in DAW. What I dont understand is that NONE of my SGUs, old or new, exhibit this problem in 2020 but some do in 2021. For testing and backup I always keep the previous years BB on a Win7 drive, the new years going on Win10 and, for fun, on the old XP drive. I'm wondering now if its an issue with shots and holds? Ian Old Guys Rule.The older I get,the better I was! BB2023 ULTRA, 1013, Win 7 and 10 ALL TRACKS - https://app.box.com/s/501rnzrbadng1elvi45hbf7y08kl5oxp SOUNDCLOUD-tracks using BB- http://soundcloud.com/sixchannel Videos- https://youtube.com/user/Sixchannel1

Re: Drum clicks at end of SGU - 2021 sixchannel #630898 12/17/20 10:32 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Jim Fogle Veteran Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 10,814 Winston Salem, NC USA	Originally Posted By: sixchannel ... I often extend the number of bars so I get a good fade on the final A... and trim the c--p off in DAW. ... Ian Ian, Have you ever tried the automated song fade-out in the Song Settings window of Band-in-a-Box? It's an often overlooked gem that will surprise you. Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) Clipboard01.jpg (70.11 KB, 77 downloads) Song Settings window. Fade-out for "X" bars highlighted. Jim Fogle - 2025 BiaB (Build 1128) RB (Build 5) - Ultra+ PAK DAWs: Cakewalk Sonar - Standalone: Zoom MRS-8 Laptop: i3 Win 10, 8GB ram 500GB HDD Desktop: i7 Win 11, 12GB ram 256GB SSD, 4 TB HDD Music at: https://fogle622.wix.com/fogle622-audio-home

Re: Drum clicks at end of SGU - 2021 Jim Fogle #630906 12/17/20 11:03 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP sixchannel Veteran Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,250 WEST MIDLANDS, UK	Originally Posted By: Jim Fogle Originally Posted By: sixchannel ... I often extend the number of bars so I get a good fade on the final A... and trim the c--p off in DAW. ... Ian Ian, Have you ever tried the automated song fade-out in the Song Settings window of Band-in-a-Box? It's an often overlooked gem that will surprise you. Look Ma!! A new toy! Thanks Charlie, I'll take a look. Ian Old Guys Rule.The older I get,the better I was! BB2023 ULTRA, 1013, Win 7 and 10 ALL TRACKS - https://app.box.com/s/501rnzrbadng1elvi45hbf7y08kl5oxp SOUNDCLOUD-tracks using BB- http://soundcloud.com/sixchannel Videos- https://youtube.com/user/Sixchannel1

Re: Drum clicks at end of SGU - 2021 Jim Fogle #630912 12/17/20 11:20 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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JohnJohnJohn Veteran J Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 3,790	Originally Posted By: Jim Fogle Originally Posted By: sixchannel ... I often extend the number of bars so I get a good fade on the final A... and trim the c--p off in DAW. ... Ian Ian, Have you ever tried the automated song fade-out in the Song Settings window of Band-in-a-Box? It's an often overlooked gem that will surprise you. Thanks Jim! I never saw this before. Question: is there any soft of standard for how long a fade out should be?

Re: Drum clicks at end of SGU - 2021 sixchannel #631001 12/17/20 05:08 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Jim Fogle Veteran Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 10,814 Winston Salem, NC USA	When you select the Fade button in the screen shot above the text box is filled with 6 bars. That can be changed. You can also bypass the Fade button and enter your own choice. I think there is not standard but more what matches the song. I heard songs that have faded over 16 bars (a complete song chorus) and fades of 2 bars. Jim Fogle - 2025 BiaB (Build 1128) RB (Build 5) - Ultra+ PAK DAWs: Cakewalk Sonar - Standalone: Zoom MRS-8 Laptop: i3 Win 10, 8GB ram 500GB HDD Desktop: i7 Win 11, 12GB ram 256GB SSD, 4 TB HDD Music at: https://fogle622.wix.com/fogle622-audio-home

Re: Drum clicks at end of SGU - 2021 sixchannel #631085 12/18/20 05:52 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP sixchannel Veteran Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,250 WEST MIDLANDS, UK	Thanks all, these are great workrounds but it doesn't answer the question WHY 2020 plays these files perfectly and 2021 does not. For now muting the RD the bar after C... does the job but that's not the point Ian Old Guys Rule.The older I get,the better I was! BB2023 ULTRA, 1013, Win 7 and 10 ALL TRACKS - https://app.box.com/s/501rnzrbadng1elvi45hbf7y08kl5oxp SOUNDCLOUD-tracks using BB- http://soundcloud.com/sixchannel Videos- https://youtube.com/user/Sixchannel1

Re: Drum clicks at end of SGU - 2021 Matt Finley #631086 12/18/20 05:56 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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DrDan Veteran Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 12,232 Wauconda	Matt, identified this issue above: Originally Posted By: Matt Finley ... muting the drums before the end is standard practice for me after enduring the clunk problem for so long. All of my songs have this and I would never have heard this problem. What you are reporting is "the clunk problem". This has been a long running bug which continues to raise it head at times. BIAB – 2025, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, 1TB WD Black NVMe SSD, 2TB WDC Blue SSD, 1TB WD Blue, 2 TB SK NVMe, 6 TB External, Motu Audio Express 6x6

Re: Drum clicks at end of SGU - 2021 sixchannel #631095 12/18/20 06:59 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Matt Finley Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 27,035 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY	Write to support@pgmusic.com Your example songs and notes may help solve this. BIAB 2025 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 7 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus 192 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.

Re: Drum clicks at end of SGU - 2021 Matt Finley #631148 12/18/20 11:12 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP sixchannel Veteran Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,250 WEST MIDLANDS, UK	Originally Posted By: Matt Finley Write to support@pgmusic.com Your exajmple songs and notes may help solve this. Done that now. Have a confirmation email back. Thanks for all the information. I'll keep thd thread posted IF theres a result. Ian Old Guys Rule.The older I get,the better I was! BB2023 ULTRA, 1013, Win 7 and 10 ALL TRACKS - https://app.box.com/s/501rnzrbadng1elvi45hbf7y08kl5oxp SOUNDCLOUD-tracks using BB- http://soundcloud.com/sixchannel Videos- https://youtube.com/user/Sixchannel1

Re: Drum clicks at end of SGU - 2021 sixchannel #631173 12/18/20 02:32 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 20,316 Melbourne, Australia	Thanks Ian for the feedback, and looking forward to a result. It does it on my main music system - but only if I am using an external hardware synth. BiaB sends out a side-stick note right at the end of the song. If I switch over to an internal VSTi, it doesn't do this. I have reported this 'right to the top', including preparing and sending a video showing the drum track on the mixer, sample song etc, but despite assurances, it has never been resolved. BIAB & RB2025 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones

Re: Drum clicks at end of SGU - 2021 sixchannel #631242 12/19/20 12:39 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP sixchannel Veteran Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,250 WEST MIDLANDS, UK	Hi Trev, I hope you are keeping well And safe. Apart from the puzzle of why the SGU plays OK in 2020 but not in 2021, after dickering with the SGU it MIGHT be an RD specific issue. Just changing from the existing RD to a Rock or Pop or Nashville RD for example, there is no end click. Go back to the original one - clicks return. Best regards for Christmas. Ian Old Guys Rule.The older I get,the better I was! BB2023 ULTRA, 1013, Win 7 and 10 ALL TRACKS - https://app.box.com/s/501rnzrbadng1elvi45hbf7y08kl5oxp SOUNDCLOUD-tracks using BB- http://soundcloud.com/sixchannel Videos- https://youtube.com/user/Sixchannel1

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