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CC settings in 2021 813 BIAB #633773 01/01/21 05:47 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 2,433 Lake Keowee, South Carolina MountainSide OP Veteran
OP MountainSide Veteran Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 2,433 Lake Keowee, South Carolina	Is there a way to adjust or modify CC settings in BIAB? Using the MIDI Monitor you can see what the continuous controller (CC) settings are, but they can't be modified there. I know that you can take the song over to RB and make these changes but that also forces the RealTracks to regenerate even if their frozen. When making small final tweaks in BIAB, having to take it back to RB, changed CC levels and then taking it back into BIAB destroys the work. So on a finished song in BIAB is there someplace else in BIAB where these can be changed without having to go back into RB? Jeff Win11, Intel i7 7700K 4.2Ghz, 32Gb RAM, 2x1Tb HD, 500Gb NVMe, BIAB/RB 2025, MOTU 828MK3 audio, MOTU Midi Express, Yamaha Montage 7, DX7II, TX802, Motif XS Rack, Roland Fantom XR Rack, Oberheim Matrix 1000, VoiceLive3 Extreme, Kontakt 6, SampleTank 4.3

Re: CC settings in 2021 813 BIAB MountainSide #633803 01/01/21 08:55 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Jim Fogle Veteran Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 10,814 Winston Salem, NC USA	The Event List Editor One way to access the Event List Editor is by navigating to Windows > Notation > Event List Editor. Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) Clipboard01.png (115.15 KB, 183 downloads) Windows Notation Event List Editor Jim Fogle - 2025 BiaB (Build 1128) RB (Build 5) - Ultra+ PAK DAWs: Cakewalk Sonar - Standalone: Zoom MRS-8 Laptop: i3 Win 10, 8GB ram 500GB HDD Desktop: i7 Win 11, 12GB ram 256GB SSD, 4 TB HDD Music at: https://fogle622.wix.com/fogle622-audio-home

Re: CC settings in 2021 813 BIAB Jim Fogle #633897 01/02/21 03:31 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP MountainSide Veteran Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 2,433 Lake Keowee, South Carolina	Wow Jim, never knew that was there. Thanks! Doesn't seem to do what I need to do. What I want to do is to edit CC's, particularly reverb and chorus, cc91 and 93, on the Thru track (track 5). I can't get it to display anything from the track 5 data. I even went back to track 4 (melody) where the original data is from, and can't see anything other than note number, velocity and channel number. When I try to use the filter in the event editor nothing comes up...all data is blank. Is the filter working on your setup? Jeff Last edited by MountainSide; 01/02/21 04:13 AM. Win11, Intel i7 7700K 4.2Ghz, 32Gb RAM, 2x1Tb HD, 500Gb NVMe, BIAB/RB 2025, MOTU 828MK3 audio, MOTU Midi Express, Yamaha Montage 7, DX7II, TX802, Motif XS Rack, Roland Fantom XR Rack, Oberheim Matrix 1000, VoiceLive3 Extreme, Kontakt 6, SampleTank 4.3

Re: CC settings in 2021 813 BIAB MountainSide #633927 01/02/21 05:27 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,216 Hamlin NY MarioD Veteran
MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,216 Hamlin NY	Hi Jeff, My systems acts exactly like yours. That is no CC data shows in the event editor window. Would someone else verify this as this may be a bug. Whenever I get something stuck in the back of my throat, I dislodge it by drinking a beer. It's called the Heineken Maneuver. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: CC settings in 2021 813 BIAB MountainSide #633936 01/02/21 06:06 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 5,261 MartinB Veteran
MartinB Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 5,261	Originally Posted By: MountainSide Doesn't seem to do what I need to do. What I want to do is to edit CC's, particularly reverb and chorus, cc91 and 93, on the Thru track (track 5). I can't get it to display anything from the track 5 data. I even went back to track 4 (melody) where the original data is from, and can't see anything other than note number, velocity and channel number. When I try to use the filter in the event editor nothing comes up...all data is blank. Is the filter working on your setup? Event Editor works here like a charm; e.g. cc91, cc93 show up and may be edited whenever a file has such controls on some channel. Martin

Re: CC settings in 2021 813 BIAB MartinB #633940 01/02/21 06:32 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP MountainSide Veteran Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 2,433 Lake Keowee, South Carolina	Very odd, on multiple songs with MIDI data, all that I am seeing on any of the MIDI tracks is note name, note number, velocity, duration and channel. Using the Event Filter for anything other than "Notes" comes up with nothing even though I can see all the controllers in RealBand. Seems odd that you are seeing these, maybe I checked some odd marker in 2021? Jeff Win11, Intel i7 7700K 4.2Ghz, 32Gb RAM, 2x1Tb HD, 500Gb NVMe, BIAB/RB 2025, MOTU 828MK3 audio, MOTU Midi Express, Yamaha Montage 7, DX7II, TX802, Motif XS Rack, Roland Fantom XR Rack, Oberheim Matrix 1000, VoiceLive3 Extreme, Kontakt 6, SampleTank 4.3

Re: CC settings in 2021 813 BIAB MountainSide #633953 01/02/21 07:50 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 5,261 MartinB Veteran
MartinB Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 5,261	You might want to post a demo midi file together with some screenshots for diagnostic purposes. Martin

Re: CC settings in 2021 813 BIAB MountainSide #633969 01/02/21 10:00 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 20,316 Melbourne, Australia AudioTrack Veteran
AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 20,316 Melbourne, Australia	Depending on the origin of the MIDI file, it may not contain CC messages (e.g. downloaded from the internet, where the source did not include this data?) BIAB & RB2025 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones

Re: CC settings in 2021 813 BIAB AudioTrack #633984 01/02/21 10:51 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,216 Hamlin NY MarioD Veteran
MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,216 Hamlin NY	Originally Posted By: VideoTrack Depending on the origin of the MIDI file, it may not contain CC messages (e.g. downloaded from the internet, where the source did not include this data?) In my example I moved the pan and reverb settings in the mixer, the MIDI was generated in BiaB and not an import. No CC messages showed in the editor. When I move the MIDI file into my DAW I do get the CCs. Whenever I get something stuck in the back of my throat, I dislodge it by drinking a beer. It's called the Heineken Maneuver. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: CC settings in 2021 813 BIAB MarioD #633986 01/02/21 10:54 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 20,316 Melbourne, Australia	Thanks for the clarification Mario. So it does seem that there is a possibility that something is broken in the way the program handles this. BIAB & RB2025 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones

Re: CC settings in 2021 813 BIAB MountainSide #633997 01/02/21 11:36 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 5,261 MartinB Veteran
MartinB Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 5,261	May well be by design. Consider the mixer as some digital filter. The filter adds reverb and stuff to some otherwise potentially even 'dry' midi input signal. When you create or export the rendered midi, you get all CCs added via the mixer - yet when you check the event editor prior to exporting through the mixer, you see just the 'dry' midi signals void of CCs. Check on opening the midi file that shows CCs in some DAW via BiaB - you'll likely see these CCs there as well. Martin

Re: CC settings in 2021 813 BIAB MartinB #634016 01/02/21 01:48 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,216 Hamlin NY	Originally Posted By: MartinB May well be by design. Consider the mixer as some digital filter. The filter adds reverb and stuff to some otherwise potentially even 'dry' midi input signal. When you create or export the rendered midi, you get all CCs added via the mixer - yet when you check the event editor prior to exporting through the mixer, you see just the 'dry' midi signals void of CCs. Check on opening the midi file that shows CCs in some DAW via BiaB - you'll likely see these CCs there as well. That may well be by design but it would be the first MIDI editor that I've ever seen that didn't show all of a track's MIDI data. Note that this isn't a problem for me as I never have used the BiaB MIDI editor, I do most all of my work in my DAW. Whenever I get something stuck in the back of my throat, I dislodge it by drinking a beer. It's called the Heineken Maneuver. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: CC settings in 2021 813 BIAB MarioD #634022 01/02/21 02:59 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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MartinB Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 5,261	Originally Posted By: MarioD That may well be by design but it would be the first MIDI editor that I've ever seen that didn't show all of a track's MIDI data. If midi data would already include all CCs, what good would be a 'mixer'? Did you run any experiment loading some midi file with CCs, and which does not need to get piped through a mixer? Martin

Re: CC settings in 2021 813 BIAB AudioTrack #634093 01/03/21 04:23 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 2,433 Lake Keowee, South Carolina MountainSide OP Veteran
OP MountainSide Veteran Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 2,433 Lake Keowee, South Carolina	Agreed VT. I'm not so much concerned about how this is reflected in the mixer. All that I want to do is to edit CC data in the Event Editor. Jeff Win11, Intel i7 7700K 4.2Ghz, 32Gb RAM, 2x1Tb HD, 500Gb NVMe, BIAB/RB 2025, MOTU 828MK3 audio, MOTU Midi Express, Yamaha Montage 7, DX7II, TX802, Motif XS Rack, Roland Fantom XR Rack, Oberheim Matrix 1000, VoiceLive3 Extreme, Kontakt 6, SampleTank 4.3

Re: CC settings in 2021 813 BIAB MartinB #634101 01/03/21 05:03 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,216 Hamlin NY MarioD Veteran
MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,216 Hamlin NY	Originally Posted By: MartinB Originally Posted By: MarioD That may well be by design but it would be the first MIDI editor that I've ever seen that didn't show all of a track's MIDI data. If midi data would already include all CCs, what good would be a 'mixer'? Hi Martin, I see your point however I can use my DAW's mixer to change CCs and still see those changes in an editor. BiaB is the only editor that I know of that doesn't show said mixer changes. Maybe that is because the mixer does not record CC changes until export, I don't know for sure as I do not use BiaB that way. Originally Posted By: MartinB Did you run any experiment loading some midi file with CCs, and which does not need to get piped through a mixer? No. I haven't loaded a MIDI file into BiaB for a couple of years now. Whenever I get something stuck in the back of my throat, I dislodge it by drinking a beer. It's called the Heineken Maneuver. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: CC settings in 2021 813 BIAB MountainSide #634185 01/03/21 12:59 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 5,261 MartinB Veteran
MartinB Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 5,261	I just ran an exercise playing some song and fiddling with reverb via the mixer. The Midi Monitor shows changes of CC91 events in realtime - so the Midi Monitor does show mixer changes after all . . . Martin

Re: CC settings in 2021 813 BIAB MartinB #634199 01/03/21 02:12 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,216 Hamlin NY MarioD Veteran
MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,216 Hamlin NY	Good catch Martin. This may be a bug as: 1-the MIDI monitor shows the CCs 2-the MIDI editor filter indicates that all CCs should be shown 3-The MIDI editor shows no CCs. Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) Event List Filter 2021-01-03 19.07.57.jpg (725.06 KB, 9 downloads) Whenever I get something stuck in the back of my throat, I dislodge it by drinking a beer. It's called the Heineken Maneuver. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: CC settings in 2021 813 BIAB MarioD #634322 01/04/21 05:06 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 2,433 Lake Keowee, South Carolina MountainSide OP Veteran
OP MountainSide Veteran Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 2,433 Lake Keowee, South Carolina	Right, this is exactly what I'm seeing....no CC data in the Event Editor. Jeff Win11, Intel i7 7700K 4.2Ghz, 32Gb RAM, 2x1Tb HD, 500Gb NVMe, BIAB/RB 2025, MOTU 828MK3 audio, MOTU Midi Express, Yamaha Montage 7, DX7II, TX802, Motif XS Rack, Roland Fantom XR Rack, Oberheim Matrix 1000, VoiceLive3 Extreme, Kontakt 6, SampleTank 4.3

Re: CC settings in 2021 813 BIAB MountainSide #634329 01/04/21 06:08 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 5,261 MartinB Veteran
MartinB Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 5,261	Originally Posted By: MountainSide Right, this is exactly what I'm seeing....no CC data in the Event Editor. When opening some midi file that contains CC data, I do see CC data in the Event Editor . . . Martin

Re: CC settings in 2021 813 BIAB MartinB #634352 01/04/21 07:22 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,216 Hamlin NY MarioD Veteran
MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,216 Hamlin NY	Originally Posted By: MartinB Originally Posted By: MountainSide Right, this is exactly what I'm seeing....no CC data in the Event Editor. When opening some midi file that contains CC data, I do see CC data in the Event Editor . . . I am not talking about an imported MIDI file, I am talking about a BiaB generated MIDI song. In the editor I added a CC10 with a value of 63 in the first editor slot of a MIDI piano track so the pan setting would be seen as the first data point. It had no effect on the piano track. The mixer was controlling the pan setting not the inputted CC data. Again this is not what I have seen on other MIDI editors. Would someone else verify this as it may be a bug. Edit - I just did a little more investigation. All CCs that I inserted into the MIDI editor worked except pan and anything that effects the volume; both of those are controlled by the mixer. If someone would verify this I will put a request in the wish list to include pan and volume CCs in the MIDI editor. Last edited by MarioD; 01/04/21 07:42 AM. Whenever I get something stuck in the back of my throat, I dislodge it by drinking a beer. It's called the Heineken Maneuver. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

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