After I've saved a song, if I open it in the Fake Sheet Mode it goes right to Bar 1. If I open the same saved song in the Lead Sheet mode, it opens up half way through the song. Seems to be at a different place depending on the song.
Wouldn't it make sense that the Lead Sheet would also open to Bar 1? For those of us that are sight readers and playing BIAB live this would be a great help.
I guess I don't understand the logic of this. Certainly if the Fake Sheet can open at Bar 1, I wouldn't think that it would be that difficult of a programming change to get the Lead sheet to also open at Bar 1.
Am I missing something here that would require one to open differently than the other?
Certainly if the Fake Sheet can open at Bar 1, I wouldn't think that it would be that difficult of a programming change to get the Lead sheet to also open at Bar 1.
Am I missing something here that would require one to open differently than the other?
Jeff, Yes to your question. Classically trained musicians prefer to have their sheet music presented to them in a random fashion with no prior preparation. That allows them to physically adjust to the beginning of the section they play in. That way the responsibility for the correct placement is up to the musician and not some stage hand. Just like paratroopers always pack their own parachutes. It has been that way in the orchestra since the early days.
There is a story that Mozart once was presented with the sheet turned to the middle section and he was playing the first section. He stormed off the stage and never again played that venue again.
So I hope this helps you better understand the logic in the BIAB programing.
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I don't do much with Lead Sheet / Fake Sheet modes but I think if you put your cursor in the grid at Bar 1, both will open up at the beginning of the song.
Fake Sheet Mode (in Lead Sheet view) works hand in hand with Fake Sheet in Chordsheet view. It's a way of contracting the song display when repeats, etc., are used. So when it's activated, the display would return to the beginning as selected bars could potentially be "hidden" bars.
Lead Sheet mode, on the other hand, aligns with where the cursor is on the chordsheet. For example, if the cursor is on bar 50 on the chord sheet, bar 50 will be the starting point when switching to Lead Sheet mode.
In case it's useful information for some who might read this thread....
To see how the different modes operate, open the tutorial file called "Repeats Tutorial example 2 with 1st-2nd and DC al Fine.MGU". It's in the folder...
"\bb\Documentation\Tutorials\Tutorial - Repeats and Endings"
This songfile has first/second endings.
If you now go to LeadSheet view and toggle the Fake Sheet Mode, you'll see how the display changes as it changes from linear view to condensed view.
Now...
Go back to the chordsheet.
1) You'll probably notice that there are bar numbers missing. The song jumps from bar 8 to bar 15 and bars 9 to 14 seem to have disappeared. While the song is 32 bars long, not all 32 bars are showing.
2) Locate the "Fake Sheet" toggle (top image, below) and click on it. The missing bars will now be exposed and grayed out. This is linear mode. The grayed out regions are because sections have been defined as repeated sections.
The Fake Sheet Mode is the equivalent of what a great deal of print music uses. In BIAB, most of us work in linear mode so Fake Sheet Mode does nothing. If a user chooses to define repeats, DC al Coda, etc., then Fake Sheet Mode is important.
Thanks guys, I do appreciate your insight and helpful advice. I must admit though, the logic still escapes me.
While I'm far from being classically trained and see myself more as a technician than a musician, it may be just the way I use BIAB to play keys on my songs. I open up each song, it opens in the chord sheet...not a problem. I then click on the Lead Sheet to play the song.
This is where it gets weird. Some songs, on the Lead Sheet, will open to the beginning, at Bar 1. Others, will open to random places in the song....could be starting at Bar 26, Bar 63....it seems random. I would just like to have all songs to open at Bar 1 on the Lead sheet.
In trying to figure why some songs open at Bar 1 on the Lead Sheet and others open at random places, I have tried various methods of "Save", "Save As", saving with the chord chart open, saving with the Fake sheet open, saving with the Lead Sheet open. I've even tried to return to factory settings, both the "MOST" and "ALL' settings. Nothing seems to be consistent.
Yet about half of my songs do open the Lead Sheet at Bar 1. There's something going on here and I would just like to figure out what it is.
Jeff, I hope you realize I was just messin with ya. I have no idea what classically trained musicians do . However, when I read Noels answer I thought he was messin with ya also. Really, all that. to do what exactly?
So I think the real answer here is exactly as you have determined - Some things just can't be figured out.
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No harm, no foul guys. All insight into this is most appreciated. I'm just trying to understand why it works sometimes and doesn't other times.
I used to work for a German company, Bayer AG out of Leverkusen, Germany. I was once showing the VP of Manufacturing how consistent a certain plant's results were. He replied "Meine Herr, consistency ist goot, control is betta".
I apologise. In your initial post, you mentioned both Fake Sheet Mode and Lead Sheet mode and I misinterpreted what you were meaning. It seems I went off on a tangent. I'll leave the "off on a tangent" reply post there as others might find it useful.
I cannot reproduce your problem. All the songs that I open (via the "Open" icon have defaulted to bar 1. (I've only tried about ten, though, so that could be the problem.)
When you open each song is it via the "Open" icon or do you doubleclick in a folder?
Also... What happens when you click on bar 1 on the chordsheet before going to the leadsheet?
Lastly... Do you have multiple instances of BIAB open when the strange events occur?
I open my songs using the upper half of the Song button. This is set to open the Song Picker. In the Song Picker, I've set the Home Folder to be the directory where I store all of my finished BIAB songs.
I single click the Song button and then double click the name of the song in my "home folder" of the Song Picker.
I have set the program to open the Lead sheet automatically. That is, when I double click on the name of the song in the Song Picker, the song opens with the Lead Sheet displayed.
If I close the previous auto-opened Leadsheet, that was displaying say measure 35, and click on Bar 1 of the chordsheet, the lead sheet will open at Bar 1 when I click on the Leadsheet.
Additionally, if I opened the song, as above, close the Leadshhet and then click on the Fakesheet check mark, the song will open the Fakesheet at Bar 1 and then if I open the Leadsheet, it will also be at Bar 1.
As I said in an earlier post, this is all very confusing. Some songs will automatically open to Bar 1 of the Leadsheet and others will not.
Oh your other question, I am running only one instance of BAIB at a time.
Never had this problem with earlier versions of BIAB.
Just found out something new about all of this....perhaps some insight.
When I open a song, as above, from the Song Picker, it opens the LeadSheet at some random bar measure. But If I click on the green Leadsheet icon, the Leadsheet will close. If I now single click on the green Leadsheet icon again, the Leadsheet will open correectly to Bar 1.
Unfortunately, as before, even with this change in opening the song and the Leadsheet, if I now go to save the song, the next time I open it it will open the Leadsheet at some random bar.
Here's some more insight into this behavior for those following along.
If you turn off the Leadsheet a in a song and then open another song...the Chordsheet will open and then you can click on the green Leadsheet icon and the Leadsheet will open to Bar 1.
After you've finished with the song, click on the green Leadsheet icon to close it and open you next song. This next song will open in the Chordsheet and if you click on the green Leadsheet icon, the Leadsheet will again open to Bar 1.
But....if you leave the Leadsheet open as you move from song to song, the Leadsheet will open to random measures as you open each song.
So the problem only seems to occur when you leave the Leadsheet open and you then open another song. For some reason, the Leadsheet does not seem to pick up Bar 1 from the Chordsheet of the new song.
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